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No god doesn’t mean life is dull, monotonous or pointless : Comments

By Jake Farr-Wharton, published 4/11/2011

A naturalistic interpretation of the universe is both valid and far from depressing.

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Yuyutsu,

Sounds like you're a devotee of Bishop Berkeley. An interesting philosophical position, if not a particularly sound one. But even within subjective idealism, spirits and ideas still have existence. 'Cogito ergo sum' constitutes a sound rebuttal of the notion that existence is an illusion.
Posted by The Acolyte Rizla, Thursday, 10 November 2011 9:09:22 AM
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Who is Bishop Berkeley, Rizla?

Why can't I just think for myself?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 10 November 2011 9:13:29 AM
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Oh, you know what happens when you think for yourself Yuyutsu.
Posted by Bugsy, Thursday, 10 November 2011 9:53:51 AM
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Yuyutsu,

Bishop Berkeley:
http://bit.ly/toYBHJ

You can - nobody has control over what you think. It's just that chances are, somebody else has already had the idea, and in many cases written it down for future generations. Original ideas are rare beasts.
Posted by The Acolyte Rizla, Thursday, 10 November 2011 12:18:56 PM
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Thanks, Rizla.

From my first glimpse at Berkeley's theory, I can already see one difference:

Berkeley claims that tables and chairs do not exist, but are ideas in the minds of perceivers.
I do find that odd - I never deny that tables and chairs do exist. What I am saying is that existence itself is an illusion. Also, I don't claim that existence is an idea in the mind, but that it is rather a perceptual illusion, that what we perceive as existence, along with all existing forms and shapes within it, truly is God, for there is nothing but Him.

'Cogito ergo sum': I am under the illusion that I think, therefore I am deluded that I exist.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 10 November 2011 3:21:29 PM
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Yuyutsu,

"I am under the illusion that I think"

Well, you certainly got that part right.
Posted by The Acolyte Rizla, Thursday, 10 November 2011 4:14:29 PM
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