crabsy:" If the quest is to come closer to God then the intellect can be a barrier."

Ain't that the truth.

the god insists
thus that he egsists topic
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11008&page=0

i feel that god is in our goodness
or rather the oneness of our enjoined goodness

we hear of atonment...note
at-one-meant..

think of this we are flesh..
animated as much chemicly as electonicly
so

our muscles move by an electric impluse..
our brain has electric sig-nature

this elect-trick-al emination gives us the image
we see in a kirilan photograph..but essentialy is energy

science law says energy cant be created nor destroyed
so one second your 'living'..the next your 'dead'

but think
where did..all that mind/muscle 'energy'..go to
[to the collective at one=meant..we call god..[the collective sum total of all that ever was ..all that ever can be..and all that ever will be

the collective inteligence..
collective life..collective logic
that calls itself simply 'i am'

we live in a finite expanding uni=verse
in time it expands into so finer divisions..
it disipitates out..into the aether..[again]..

till in time
bits start attracting togeter
and instead of expanding..the mass starts collapsing in on itself
with such impetus..that it condenses in its final[pre big bang..size]

when once again a small change of state
[and the earth was yet again..'without form'
and yes the darkness was on the face of the deep

and yes the collective good..[god]
mooves..yet again..on the face of the waters

and the innocent [of all living loving grace and mercy
gets his/her own re birth moment..[emerging from the waters]

dares to say,..
wtf..'let there be light'

and with a big bang*..
behold it shon for miles

and the collective at=one-meant..saw that yet again
its all goog..[all god]

i insist..!
thus i egsist

"How can you have love and devotion for something which doesn't exist?"

I enjoyed Crabsy's answers while I was timed out. Now let me put it in my own words:

A better question is "How, and why would you, love and be devoted to something which does exist?"

There is nothing but God - existence is an illusion, so if you ever loved or adored anything or anyone (including yourself), then you loved and adored God, only you probably did so in an unconscious and indirect way.

So, now we have the claim that our very existence is an illusion.

>>There is nothing but God - existence is an illusion...<<

There must come a point, surely, when it starts to dawn on these folk that the very fact that they need to pervert the English language in order to describe God, indicates the utter shallowness of their ideas.

It reminds me of those 1960s hippies, who had collectively discovered that dope turns them into semi-geniuses, as they all sat around telling each other "wow, man, that's so... true!"

How empty can your thinking get, guys?

"There is nothing but God"

I wonder how Ivan Milat fits the "nothing but" concept. Or Anders Behring Breivik.

"Existence is an illusion".

That's interesting. So Jesus' existence was an illusion? I suspect there are a few devout Christians who might disagree with that idea, Yuyutsu. I'm sure Peter Sellick is right there with you, though, it's right up his street.

But honestly, what utter tosh.

Do I cease to exist when God realises he is a metaphysical solipsist?

per ridicules is so good at picking out a brief line
then using it out of context..to garner his harvest

if only things were as simple as he thinks
but he is SUSTAINED TO LIVE..by the same life sustaining good

he is living this same dream of sepperatness
even here ammoung others of like ilk..as himself..and my self

look at yourself..ol mate
that you you call you..mate that is more than you
[its over a trillion other life forms..living in and on you

without them doing 'their thuing'
you couldnt 'do' your thing

if the yeasts didnt do as yeast do
if the acids didnt do what they do
if your body didnt have the bugs in/on it
no life can live [of itself]..not even yours

there is a bigger picture...you
[and i]..arnt 'just' you and i..its a host of other living things

collectivly..[in total]..all life has the same life sustainer
all living the gift of their life..given faclitated..sustained..by god

if you got proof of no god
or that you can make you live..[by your will alone]..

please present it
your clever enough to know you cant

you got opinion..thats all
just like we got

as the koran says
first make just one like it
[ie first make yoyur own life]..before decrying
the good god of life/nature/nurture..doing it all

such is his nature
serving the best equally the least
their life gift

the one good living loving god
doing it all..for all of us

till you prove different..
got any proof ol mate
or just opinion?