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Reuniting church and state : Comments

By Gary Bouma, published 26/10/2011

To 'render unto Caesar' means that the church and Christians should be involved in the state and ruled by it.

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When I first read this piece I thought it was a spoof.

Maybe it is.

Bottom line, I would resist being ruled by sharia be it of the Christian or Muslim variety.

Presumably Christian sharia would include:

--Outlawing homosexuality

--Banning abortion

--Banning the teaching of evolution – creationism in the classroom.

--Maybe banning birth control?

No thanks
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 11:50:45 PM
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Steven,
Assuming you'd be persecuted at all, who allowed the Jews back into England?
We wouldn't be dealing with a New Model Army, we'd be swamped by gurning Hillsong happy clappers and frumpy African Lutherans...the horror!
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 27 October 2011 5:21:25 AM
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This is a conspiracy to corrupt the churches by involving them with the politics of the world.

Churches should be left to perform their original task alone, that which they are best at - religion: drawing people closer to God.

So thanks, Ahitofel, but no thanks!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 27 October 2011 5:26:24 AM
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stevenlmeyer, Wed 26 Oct, 11:04:53pm

It's not just the Jews that have been persecuted by Christians or Muslims: there have been plenty of other persecutions amongst these groups and more, including a degree of suppression of Muslims by Jews, too. You seem to acknowledge that when you ask - "how many Christians and Muslims like living in Jewish controlled state?"

I'm not sure what your motivation for mentioning Nazis or Stalin was. They are red herrings, yet are often misrepresented, especially when Nazi anti-semetism was the culmination of centuries of European anti-semetism and they invoked close relationships with favourable sections of the churches, including the Catholic church in Germany and the Vatican.

The photos on this page provide much testament - http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

Stalin was brought up in Orthodox schools and churches, even studying in a Seminary, so no doubt was christened. He invoked religion and the church in WW2, and there are claims he was privately religious throughout his later life.

Yuyutsu, Thurs 27 Oct, 5:26:24am -
Any "conspiracy to corrupt the churches by involving them with the politics of the world" is of their own making. The lobbying by various religious entities is well highlighted by them.
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Posted by McReal, Thursday, 27 October 2011 8:21:16 AM
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I suspect that by mentioning "the church" it is more of decency etc, rather than any espoused religion. The average price of homes in Australia today is $435,000 (seven times the annual workers wage of $65,000) and yet in 1977 the average price was $31,000 (twice the average annual workers wage of $15,000). They were relatively cheaper in the 1950-1970 era. It is hoped that the next government will get intelligent and reverse that trend and bring decency back to the working community.
The top tax now is 45%, in 1977 it was approximately 60% and in 1950-1970 it was 66.6%. A low top tax is actually detrimental to the economy and to the working people, when the tax is low, CEO’s and others increase their salaries, causing higher prices. What we want, is the decency advocated in beliefs of the Christan religon.
Posted by merv09, Thursday, 27 October 2011 9:26:33 AM
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McReal,

No doubt there are corrupt clergymen of impure motives that promote things other than religion. The point is that Gary Bouma is suggesting to do it above board in a wholesale fashion.

I am a strong supporter of "render unto Caesar": Render unto Caesar what is his - and keep as far as you can away from him.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 27 October 2011 11:15:55 AM
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