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Corrective rape and violence against lesbians in South Africa : Comments

By Kate Walton, published 20/9/2011

‘You think you’re a man, but I’m going to show you you’re a woman.'

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*The Zulu, Xhosa, Swazi, and Ndebele peoples?*

They are all part of the Bantu, which migrated from the North,
but today make up the majority of the population of South Africa.
Their origins are from Central Africa.

*Are you saying that 'corrective rape' was a part of their culture?*

No, I think on that one, BRG nailed it correctly, ie that its more
likely just yet another excuse rather then a cause. Unlike girls
who were raped by hiv infected males, when the superstition went
around that sex with a virgin would cure it.

The point is that given other cultural practises in Bantu regions,
most likely rape is not considered the great crime that our society
deems it to be. People do it because they can get away with it.

Before you start worrying about lesbians, you will seemingly first
have to convince Bantu males that rape is a serious offence.
With one woman raped every 17 seconds, clearly many don't think
it is.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 7:47:59 PM
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David,
170,000 years? Who were these people? They definitely weren't Xhosa, Zulu or any of the other Bantu peoples. Do some reading, it's an abiding interest of mine and I'm always amazed at what amazing new information on human history is revealed.
Note I said history, not evolution.
Did you know that studies of the "Pygmies" have shown that their stature and intense pigmentation is not an adaptation to their environment, rather it most likely comes from their distant ancestors?
That throws a bit of a spanner in the "We's all Africans" theory promoted by Anti Whites such as yourself, my ancestors and those of the "Pygmies" were clearly very different.
Then there's the recent revision of the thinking on the R1b haplotype and the allocation of a new one, the Y chromosome V88 for most Black Africans, the provenance of which is at present unknown but is presumed to have resulted from a mid Holocene (ie recent) migration from Asia to Africa.
Given that the oldest proto Negroid remains yet found are only around 8,000 years old it's reasonable to theorise that "Black" Africans may have arisen from the union of darker skinned Asiatic men and African women, whatever they looked like in that era,
There has been no evidence found to date of continuity between ancient and modern African populations and as for the Black Africans very little is known about their past beyond about the early Middle Ages.

Not everyone is fit to discuss race, people who hold "Anti Racist" and those who hold racial "supremacist" views should be automatically excluded from such discussions.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 21 September 2011 10:15:23 PM
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"Rape is always about control, dominance, and the insubordination of women."

Maybe someone can help me with Kate's comment.
While I sympathise with the plight of those being raped, I have to ask how rape can occur if sexual desire is absent from the equation?
I've seen this "rape is all about control, dominance" before, but can never actually get an answer to my question.
The penis doesn't become erect unless aroused. An erect penis is required for penetration. So how can it be solely about power? I don't deny power plays a part, but logically it can not totally be the sole reason.
Posted by Aristocrat, Thursday, 22 September 2011 2:10:01 PM
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Aristocrat,
There's a pretty good treatise on the subject called "How dangerous men think",by Brent Sanders.
Poor impulse control is another issue here,don't forget that drug and alchohol use are just as much of a problem in S.A as anywhere else and particularly so in the Black communities.
Men get drunk, they fight, they rape women, crash cars and commit other crimes, Black men are no different to any other race when they get together and hit the sauce.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 22 September 2011 5:55:02 PM
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Aristo

When people started looking at rape from a feminist perspective, they read the accounts of female victims. Almost all of them say something like "I felt so powerless, I couldn't stop them". So rape is about power, to the victim.
The researchers then assumed that it must also be about power to the rapist. This fitted their stereotype of men being egotistical and controlling (the patriarchy theory). However, all of the research on rapists that I am aware of has refuted this assumption. It is ideology in the place of science.
Posted by benk, Friday, 23 September 2011 4:08:03 PM
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Benk,
If you want an example of the gross stupidity of Feminists, Anti Racists and Leftists in general then read this:
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/23/we-are-not-your-weapons-we-are-women/
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 24 September 2011 1:02:53 PM
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