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Corrective rape and violence against lesbians in South Africa : Comments

By Kate Walton, published 20/9/2011

‘You think you’re a man, but I’m going to show you you’re a woman.'

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http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12636#218432

Kate Walton, #1, given that feMANazis have been screaming about bogus crimes backed by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics on everything for half a century now, why should we believe you about this fairy tale?

#2, South African people should be dealing with THEIR problems in THEIR country, western nations, especially small ones like Australia should be minding THEIR own business. There is LITERALLY nothing practical we can do about anything happenning anywhere outside Australia, other than offer advice &/or education.

Everything the loony left has done to the third world since 1945 has been negative, for them as well as wasting our taxes creating poverty, if you want to continue destroying lives keep on meddling.
Posted by Formersnag, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 5:59:57 PM
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Formersnag,
One example:
Deaths in Police custody under Apartheid ran at about 80 a year, which is high but under Black rule they've skyrocketed to 860 in 2010 alone.
Self hating White people need to listen to decent Black people speak about themselves and stop listening to other self hating Whites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdRDgXUgGAs

Here's another good site, anthropology as a science should involve everyone, it shouldn't just be Self Hating White people studying Brown people and romanticising them in order to ease White guilt:
http://zeroanthropology.net/about/
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 6:38:40 PM
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Kipp:

...Come on Kipp, I am attempting to save the poor girl from herself by offering sound advice.

...I really think that the well meaning kid she is, obviously lacks sound advise from those around her that should be discouraging her from the challenge of highlighting the global risks of lesbianism.

...I wonder to myself, why not a more worthy venture to invest life and energy into; starvation in Ethiopia for example, among so many other worthy causes calling for dedicated input that she is obviously capable of...
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 8:41:16 PM
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According to the site Yabby linked to, "A woman was raped in South Africa every 17 seconds. This did not include the number of child rape victims. It was estimated that one in every two women would be raped."

I believe the article Kate has presented is flawed due to its focus on corrective rape of women who express a preference for same sex relationships. Given the incredibly high figures for rape in the culture in question, it seems that a large number of lesbians would be raped purely because of their gender, not their sexuality.

Two major assumptions have been made: First, that the rapists have followed a logical, causal, decision making process leading up to the rape; and second that corrective rape was a cause rather than an excuse after the fact. I find both unlikely.

The issue here is rape, corrective rape is a terrible subset of rape crimes, but conflating identity politics with physical assault does the cause a disservice.
Posted by BRG, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 10:12:26 PM
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Diver dan we are all aware of your negative attitude towards gays and lesbians, so please save us from your shallow patronising comments.
You may be happy and self righteous in your safe box, and like most religous funadamentalists we are aware also that you are indifferent to the well being of others, unless they believe in the sky fairies!!
Posted by Kipp, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 10:27:16 PM
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BRG: Thanks for your comments, and thanks for putting some analysis into them.

Your point is a good one, and it's a very valid one to raise. However, there is much evidence, both from victims and perpetrators of corrective rape, that the women's sexuality did play a major role in their rape.

For instance, from a 2010 article in the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/12/eudy-simelane-corrective-rape-south-africa):

"The Guardian talked to lesbians in townships in Johannesburg and Cape Town who said they were being deliberately targeted for rape and that the threat of violence had become an everyday ordeal.

"Every day I am told that they are going to kill me, that they are going to rape me and after they rape me I'll become a girl," said Zakhe Sowello from Soweto, Johannesburg. "When you are raped you have a lot of evidence on your body. But when we try and report these crimes nothing happens, and then you see the boys who raped you walking free on the street.""

And from a recent BBC article (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13908662):

"Noxolo Nkosana, 23, is the latest victim of a series of violent attacks against lesbians.

She was stabbed a stone's throw from her home in Crossroads township, Cape Town, as she returned from work one evening with her girlfriend.

The two men - one of whom lives in her community - started yelling insults.

"They were walking behind us. They just started swearing at me screaming: 'Hey you lesbian, you tomboy, we'll show you,'" Ms Nkosana tells the BBC."

In almost all of the reported cases of corrective rape in South Afica, as well as in Uganda (which also faces a serious corrective rape problem), the victims have cited being verbally harassed regarding their sexuality before and during the rape.

The fact is, lesbians are increasingly being raped because they are seen by men as threatening their masculinity and thus their power. While I agree that rape in general must be dealt with urgently, we must also recognise that there are certain nuances here that require different ways of resolution.
Posted by Kate Walton, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 10:31:02 PM
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