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The great Australian survey : Comments

By Andrew Leigh, published 10/8/2011

Why did the census ask about religion for 100 years, but only ask consistently about income from 1976?

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I would like as an allowable response to any question a census-taker may ask:

"I consider this question none of the government's business."

I feel the government has the right to make head count and to ask any questions they will. However, I feel nobody has any obligation to answer those questions.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 8:58:47 AM
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Great article by Dr. Andrew Leigh. The 2011 Census has generated a lot of interest, debate and volunteering in the Australian Macedonian community especially our youth who have used social media to engage and assist the elderly to complete the Census. The Macedonian community sees the Census as a historic opportunity to accurately register their identity through their place of birth, their Macedonian language, ancestry and Macedonian Orthodox religion.

The 1996 Australian Census was the first time in which Macedonians living in Australia were identified statistically as a separate ethnic group. The number of Macedonians in Australia is on a constant increase thanks to the way in which the Census is structured. The Australian Census could serve as a model for EU member states such as Bulgaria and Greece who do not recognise the ethnic Macedonians in their census statistics. It is sad but true, that Macedonians in those two countries are still denied basic human rights. Australia has a moral responsibility to assist the Hellenic Republic and Bulgaria to abandon futile and repressive policies and stop the de-legitimisation of Macedonians and the Republic of Macedonia. This is something that Dr. Andrew Leigh can take up with PM Gillard and Australia's foreign minister.
Posted by Macedonian advocacy, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 11:22:43 AM
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i was going to avoid any comment upon census

in the main under the theory..of ignor others insanity

""A constituent emailed me recently to point out that elections are virtually never decided by a single vote, but every additional person who answers the census brings resources to the area.""

plus i hate the qld govt loading us with odious debt to bailout mining and frakking gas mates..and them building up 70 billion in public debt building stadiums for mates..etc

and dont regard myself as a queen-slander
and want qld revealed as the vile it really is

""She argued that it was more important
to fill out the census form than to vote..""

i boycotted voting once i realised there is no true choice
we elect only sponcers/mates eith way we vote for
two party is treason

naturally..you as a person..say..""(a conclusion I could not possibly endorse,since I encourage everyone to participate in both activities).""

and you yes..as a person
a dead corperate ward of the state
are the 'person'..who's details must go onto the form
as demanded..because you begged govt to be a 'person'/under the act

ie under the birth's act..because
you begged to be 'regesterd''..as shattles are

a person..under the marrage act
cause you appLIEd/begged..to fall *under the marrage act

and even you the driver..'person' driving for income
ubnder the 'transport act'

anyhow in the end i didnt want to make an issue about it
as i got no income..[nor wage]..they ARNT the same..!

income is money earned by no value ADDING
and wage is being paid to 'drive[transport]..for money
without getting a share of the spiol's..[ie a wage]

anyhow i added in all the 'persons'
ie 'persons..under the act'
that i hold trust over

and i used the right colours pen
ie black means dead[ie a corperation]
blue means sick[a ward of the state/a person under the act

i didnt use capital/letters
[cause all caps means the 'person'..is a dead corperation]

and nouns*..[naming things]..
only have one capital letter

and i didnt sign in the box
because..by law anything..[in the box]..is invisable

besides..i DONT SIGN UNILATERAL CON-tracts
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 11:33:02 AM
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that will be used to sustain the lie of 'person' hood

all caps..[as mandated]..indicates a dead corperate persons details are required
under threat by force of law...is a lie created by ignorant tools of fools

anyhow the birth person cretification..[flesh/blood chattle]
is wrote in red...[not in caps]..

the licence person..in black[in capitals

and me...[excluding family name as sovereign truste..over the 'other persons'..was in bold purple..]..in lower case cause thats what i am

i can only be
what I chose to be
and thats not one who takes orders lightly

you want the person detail
you get the persons detail
if you dont know what a person 'is'
well i do

my job was done
now can we talk about me not signing in ya box

[on demand/with menaces?]
stuff you..audit real criminals

lets audit EVERYONE..fully..
declare into a dooms day census
definitivly what YOU own...

not the family trust
or other dead corperate person
you hold share on/over..[ie a dead zombie
only made living by lie and ignorance..by ommision

only living can 'own'[things]
only the living..can be 'injured'
let the dead tend the dead..the dead feel no pain

im hurting having to explain
that plainly wrong..in this patent blatent fraud

but govts too busy cross checking what you wrote
and prophiling your wage..[ignoring THEIR mates income]
and their family trust funds..safe in the corperate limited liability

[cause they are DEAD
but the brain dead following orders..
how well did that work for you in neuremberg?

well their simply brain dead
see ya in court]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 11:38:27 AM
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I have to say that I was pretty unimpressed with the whole process. It's an anachronism.

Outside the basic data, I felt that I was simply being asked questions for their own sake. What on earth was the point of asking about internet access, for example. What possible policy initiative - or policy modification - could result from that? Anyway, I'm sure there are many more reliable ways to find out - the telcos and ISPs, for example.

And this line from Mr Leigh's article made me chuckle.

"Better yet, if you tick the box to allow your information to be revealed in 99 years, you might even help your descendents with their genealogical explorations."

Given the massive amount of information about every one of us, that is swilling around the thousands of commercial databases every day, I can't see the piddling few lines contained in the census being of any additional value whatsoever. And who is to say that in 98 years time, the government of the day might not decide unilaterally to declare the information "in the public interest", and release the lot?

They might decide to do it anyway.

Next Tuesday.

Who would know?
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 1:00:54 PM
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What would the importance of taking a snapshot of Australian society every few years?

There are the obvious advantages of knowing about population statistics to help in planning for hospitals, schools and other infrastructure. Information about income might assist in planning for community services. Why ask about ethnicity? Unless it helps in assisting in ensuring relevant services for various ethnic groups where there might be special needs eg. translation services, refugees, those who have experienced torture (though the census does not ask those questions).

I am not sure I see the relevance in asking about religion. That information might be more useful to a religious organisation in planning for future building projects... but governments. Any thoughts?
Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 2:36:39 PM
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