yu/quote..""If what you describe is correct,
then I consider that realm as but a part of the material world,
part of existence.""

in truth none can 'know' him

think of the cordial analogy
[say fruitcup type]..the juice compartment of the drink is
suger/many fruits/preservatives/acids water etc..the sum total[once its absorbed..into a living being...is god]

god is more than his parts
he needs 'be'..by affect..accross all dimentions
yet subject to..none of their limitations

omnipresent

""I would not exclude the possibilities of subtler layers,
aspects or extensions within the physical universe.""

even science has its 'other di-mentions' theories
it can be explained by math..but math isnt god
though many might fel in heaven..
once they figure out the la-test theo-ry..

""Energy for example is subtler than matter,
so it is possible for there to be even subtler elements than energy around,..elements which interact with time differently.""

i agree of course
but even the term energy..is a destraction
catalist would seem closer..but both catilist and re=actment..are qualities of him..[god is omnipresent..exta/pre/sent..yet intra/pre/sent..

i find the concept quite plea-sent]

""This scheme is interesting,
but nevertheless, it does not mention God.''

to write a sentance we need to use words
that have definite meaning..definitive qualities
we both mutually agree on..but cause and affect..beginning and end
whatever meaning we accord to them..god is there..[as well]

You have just reconfirmed my suspicion
that we understand different things under “exist”
to..(“have objective reality or being” in my dictionary).""

objective reality
could be made a more ciomplete reality
by enjoining the objective..and the subject-ive..with the collective
substantive/qualitive prospective speculative and perspective

""to repeat myself
there are no more fundamental terms,
on the meaning..of which we all can agree,..

and by means of which..I could give you
a clear-cut definition of the verb “exist”..as I understand it.""

is only to convey others limited perceptions
when god is one to one...where we each gain..our comprehention directly...simply by living this life experience..and knowing as a surity..'more shall be given''[for-ever there is more]

we think a lesson[or topic is over]
we think we are all thought out

then god gives/reveals.. a finding
and much more comes

>>ANY understanding of God
which includes His existence..
can be easily crushed down by an above-average atheist.<<

anything defined only in single positive numbers
limites that they can refute with same number limitation

but once we get into the rest of the other numbers
we gather...more of the real issues

minus numbers...or adding a zero[which signifies nothing]
these are all potentials/modifiers..just as god is an enabler
that activates all probability

""I am not sure if you count Richard Dawkins
as an above-average atheist,""

he delected pages of text in our debate
he lost re flatfish...having 'evolved'...flat[his theory]
because one eye was dragging in the mud..[the guy is obesesivly selective..lacking perspectuive...and thin skinned]

he knows nought of which he doth speak

only convinces the ignorant of science methead's
[noting small flat fish are just like normal fish]
thats when our debait ended..he simply deleted it all

ie the dude is igno-rant

""but there are certainly many people,
who believe in an objective existence..
(i.e. not a delusion) of God,""

if they cant give a science proof
its their opinion..their belief..their god delusion
if they cant reveal the cause...they have a theory
if the cant replicate..they only speculate
to wit mass-ter bait



bring on mr dorkins
he has created the faith..of the faithless

sold dis-belief..the same way
we got sold on religeon

thus so many[too many]..
are still missing on knowing god [good/love/grace/mercy...*cause..]..completly

Dear OUG,

I find your posts difficult to read.
If you imply that God has parts, then I will be bound to ask some silly questions, such as: "do these parts sometimes fight against each other?"; "Can God remove some of His parts?"; or "which of those parts should I worship?".

Indeed, everything is God and God can be found anywhere - there is nothing but God, but this does not imply that God is everything.

Dear George,

It was pleasure to discuss God with you.

I hope my friend, who is extremely busy, will find the time to write here on OLO about the Catholic Credo and how it can be understood without implying God's objective existence.

I wish you the best on your spiritual journey.

ju...quote..""..I find your posts difficult to read.""

sorry im trying to use simple egsamples
like think of god as the water...in the fruit juice cordial
holding all its various bits together...making its parts into one satifying drink

or think of religeons as being like different wells
all drawing their beliefs from the one body of water[ie god]

""If you imply that God has parts,"'

no he is uniting..the other bits
into his oneness...[that sustains every life its living]

""then I will be bound to ask some silly questions,
such as: "do these parts sometimes fight against each other?";"'

of course
we need opposing bits to grasp 'higher concepts'
thus god allows us to choose..*vile or good..[or anywhere in between]

"Can God remove some of His parts?";
he could[and possably might have
but essentially..to kill oner part of you
via another 'part' of you..thats a sign of insanity
[and i hope god never goes insane...but i dont know]

if there is insanity
i need god to remain logic
so if i cant comprehend something
i trust god to know if it can hurt me or not
so trust his will to so much]

""or "which of those parts should I worship?".

absolutly none
[isnt it 'normal'..for kids to idolise their parents
we dont have kids to get them 'worse-shipping'..us..
for something WE CHOSE..*to do for..them]

i believe god is seeking an equal
just like we all have

someone who knows what its like
to have your own 'reject' you
someone to share his burdens

logiclly he knows he is one
[or she..because god is the best of mother
and the best of father's...wanting only that we chose love
[when we grow up]

and we got eternity
we have only just begun

in time we all know
what he went through
but even then as suns of good
we yet radiate his life forces[light heat][etc]

[in time we affectivly become god like
yet there inside us is our loyal father..
still sustaining us all our very lives]
even as our light sustains others their life

[think of all them trillions of bacteria/moulds etc
micro life forms..living in on your body
TO THEM..you are 'god'

yet in truth the life they 'are'
is asustained them..by god

""Indeed, everything is God
and God can be found anywhere - there is nothing but God,
but this does not imply that God is everything.""

yes it gets complicated dont it
yet in my is the living loving good
sustaining me my life..equally as he does yourn

i await for what god
shall cause to be revealed next

know he blesses us all

[we dont need to beg]