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By Keith Suter, published 28/7/2011Worrying about infrequent and unlikely acts of Islamic terrorism has dulled us to the danger we nurse within.
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Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 28 July 2011 1:37:35 PM
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I recall Bryant had bought at least one semiauto/or perhaps full auto assault-rifle (an Armalite-"M16"). He also had a rare (at that time) and expensive support equipment - night-vision equipment that even the Tas police didn't have. So probably very unusual in Tas. This responds to two of the criteria set out. I suggest this might be the type of methodology/criteria used by security agencies (ASIO, AFP, State Police, Customs etc) in their security monitoring roles. Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 28 July 2011 1:48:13 PM
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Plantagenet, fair point, he could also just as easily have stolen equipment I guess, didn't he kill a collector as well, and wasn't that the house where he set fire and was eventually caught?
I take your point though, he was planning and had overtly bought weapons and equipment and at least this is information that is recordable. Do law enforcement agencies have software that might tie together assets and purchases of items of interest? Or do they rely on other information, humint/rumint, before going into action. The Norwegian man had a farm so quite openly bought chemicals and stored them and no one thought it was odd at the time. Do we still keep tabs on gun license holders? I wonder if the local police station has knowledge of who holds gun licenses in the local neighborhood, and what they might have on hand .. does anyone ever do check on gin safes? (Owning equipment better than law enforcement agencies or military is, embarrassingly, all too common - since they tend to buy the lowest priced item that meets a minimal specification so as to allow as many competitors as possible into the procurement competition) Posted by rpg, Thursday, 28 July 2011 2:11:48 PM
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Somewhat strangely, Mr Suter seems to portray this tragic event as a symptom of white male anger about the loss of dominance of Western civilisation. It appears he mistakenly takes Breiviks ravings as a coherent political document. Breivik's ideas are a confused conglomeration of quotes and extreme belief systems and hardly amount to anything we haven't heard before. They say nothing about anyone other than Breivik himself so, gross genralisations about this being a symptom of something on a grander scale seem somewhat unfounded. For goodness sakes, Breivik quotes also Jeremy Clarkson and John Stuart Mill!
The Prime Minister of Norway correctly sees the attack as an attack on Democracy, a point which Mr Suter in his anti west, anti white male attack, misses. Posted by Atman, Thursday, 28 July 2011 2:54:24 PM
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My knowledge of this subject is from open sources and handy contacts in the US. Australia (probably) often uses US style methodology and equipment. Looking at open source info like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Information_Awareness (TIA) suggests there is connectivity in software and hardware between law enforcement agencies and other agencies (like Tax Departments) with legal sharing of info for legal purposes. Particular cases eg. international terrorists might get the full TIA treatment - in the US from agencies like the NSA and FBI. For agencies to track US citizens would normally require warrants signed by judges. Sharing is not only within countries - hence extraditions happen. I don't know of any sequence of info gathering in the US, but probably depends on many things - what agency, what they're looking for and with what urgency etc. Pete Posted by plantagenet, Thursday, 28 July 2011 3:14:06 PM
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Exactly Atman,
My post was going to open with "Dear Keith Suter, what, if anything is your article actually about?". Trumpeting nonsense about it being Indians and Asian's "turn" is just bizarre, he gloats over the loss of "White Male dominance" and then says "Here Brown people, it's your turn to behave like White men". Stack,Loughner and McVeigh are all different cases, Loughner isn't even White he's Jewish and what's more totally insane. Martin Bryant was never tried for his crimes, McVeigh remained silent and never gave a statement to the FBI and Stack died and so can't speak anyway. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 28 July 2011 3:20:34 PM
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The over riding philosphy via environmentalism is that there are too many people on the planet destroying the environment and only a totalitarian world Govt controlled by large corporate interests is the way.
These nutters like Anders Breivik are easly cultivated and pushed into the right agenda.
The timing is rather odd.Norway is pulling out of Libya and weaking the NATO Alliance.