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Greens are here to stay : Comments

By Graham Young, published 11/7/2011

The Greens are here to stay, but it may be more in opposition than influence.

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In one thread here Greens are compared with Nazis, in this one they're Bolsheviks. I particularly like this logic:

"Just as it is true that half the population are below average intelligence, so too some of those folk who are intellectually challenged will become the gullible supporters of cynical Green and other "Watermelon" politicians."

If "some" intellectually challenged folk vote for the Greens and Independents, then it follows logically that most of the "intellectually challenged" vote for someone else, i.e. Labor or the Coalition (or One Nation, DLP, Shooters Party, Fundies First etc).

It's really hard to work out what the Green-haters are on about, except that they hate the Greens irrationally, and think that they're 'Nazi Bolsheviks'. Maybe it's because they're not all that bright themselves, and don't know the difference.

Whatever the reason, they're starting to become quite shrill.
Posted by morganzola, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 5:45:14 PM
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I'll take that one Morganzola.
Lenin and Hitler both envisioned a revolution with specific aims, they both ditched the "wingnut' elements of their parties when they were no longer needed or became bothersome.
If the Greens were serious contenders they'd do the same.
For one thing Marxism has no place in a multiracial society, so why are Marxists still tolerated in our political system?
Also people accused of being Marxists are always actually Marxists, there is no such thing as a "Nazi" or "Neo Nazi" because the NSDAP membership was closed in the early 30's....there is no "Nazi Party" yet Marxist parties and organisations are still abundant.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 9:00:46 PM
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Not sure I can use your name here Morganzola, see I have been a bad boy, said what I truly think.
I promise here now true, not to say what I think of Col or any fool who lays Nazi or the like claims.
Gee however I am holding my hat over my heart, being as respectful as any Damn fool who thinks the ALP is on the way back.
HIGHLIGHT you came back to defend your middle class team.
May I again ask, you know the ones, green in lower house Wilkie on running third Senate often home to one issue fools, why?
Promise my shame is well, saying what I think, maybe I am quite mad.
Why would first past the post no preferential voting be undemocratic for greens and minor party's.
If they had the following they would win, or are my maths wrong?
Sorry not sure a working class person has the right to question the puff pastry policy's of such as your team, to fear them and their impacts.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 14 July 2011 6:52:06 AM
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"Parties like the Greens have been around for a couple of hundred years at least..."
Which is precisely why we no longer shove 5 year old children up chimneys.
Why we work a standard 40 hour week or less, instead of 60.
Why slavery was abolished.
The simple truth is, it is and always has been the radicals who drag the centre kicking and screaming into the future.
I see no reason why the Greens have to be in any way 'better' than the other parties. They just have to offer an alternative. Some of their ideas will inevitably be judged by history as bad.
And some will be judged as being so obviously right that it will be hard to understand why contemporaries couldn't see it; apart from the simple fact that to a conservative, change is bad.
History will always be the ultimate judge. The trick is, trying to make decisions that will make future generations look back kindly on us.
Posted by Grim, Thursday, 14 July 2011 7:08:29 AM
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Pericles

What Grim said.

You brought up the claim about costing, when it was thrown back at you, you tried to trivialise it.

Greens are here to stay, because we need an alternative to continued draining of our natural resources, a big-business monoculture that strangles innovation and true competition and successive governments that are more motivated by retaining/achieving power than governing for the long term of Australia's future.
Posted by Ammonite, Thursday, 14 July 2011 9:53:45 AM
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Morganzola “It's really hard to work out what the Green-haters are on about, except that they hate the Greens irrationally, and think that they're 'Nazi Bolsheviks'. Maybe it's because they're not all that bright themselves, and don't know the difference.”

I know how “bright “ I am and don’t care how dull you are

the thing to remember is

the last big experiment in “social engineering” ended, in tears back in 1989 when, after 70 years of mass murder, mass starvation and repression (from religion to colour of socks) for the collective.

The same collectivism which the greens activists are always promoting,

where we all have to do as the greens tell us

of course, the greens will always tell you they are different

But like dearest Margaret said

"Socialists have always spent much of their time seeking new titles for their beliefs, because the old versions so quickly become outdated and discredited."

same truth applies to collectivists of any hue….

Yesterdays Red Bolshevik is todays Tree hugging Green…. Hence the “Watermelon” term…

Green on the outside, Red on the inside….

And those few genuine enviro-greens, are merely what Lenin called his “useful idiots”

The only thing the greens have not got up to are the mass starvations and killing fields of their past manifestations
But the path from “activist” to “despot” is a very, very short one


I see it as a moral responsibility to ensure no one is left ignorant of the real horror which runs beneath environmental activists who today think they are entitled to trample over other peoples property and stick nails in trees to cause injury to forest workers using chain saws…. Tomorrow they will be rounding people up for mandatory green “re-education” ….

I see grim still clings to illusion that all good things come from socialism and ignores the fact that Lenin and Stalin managed to starve every “child chimney sweep” and their ebtire families in the Ukraine because their political were suspect.

Be careful what you wish for Grim.. it may end up even worse than your chosen login
Posted by Col Rouge, Thursday, 14 July 2011 10:23:30 AM
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