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By Graham Young, published 11/7/2011The Greens are here to stay, but it may be more in opposition than influence.
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Posted by Pericles, Monday, 11 July 2011 9:59:59 PM
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Come on Lexi mate, perhaps 12% of Ozzies showed their dissatisfaction with the 2 party system, although I would argue it was perhaps 8 % plus another 4% showed their dissatisfaction with little Julia. It was in no way the Australian voters.
This is the real injustice of our system. 88% of Ozzies are getting policies they do not want, because of our crazy system, & a few ratbags in control of Labor, trying to cling to power. Now don't be silly Pericles, you know none of them have a discipline that involves arithmetic, they could not be Greens if they did. They are not much worse than the Labor of today on that count. What does worry me much more, is their now expressed desire to give our sovereignty to the UN, or some similar world government. We may be ruled by a misguided elite today, as it is, but that would be nothing to how we would be ruled by a world government Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 11 July 2011 10:34:15 PM
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http://resources.news.com.au/files/2011/07/12/1226092/719393-aus-news-file-federal-newspoll-110712.pdf
Looking at these latest polls, it looks as though it is only the one party that is being abandoned. As is the price on carbon. Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 5:01:18 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mps-sent-to-class-to-clean-up-behaviour-20110711-1haxp.html
This Scathing report did not come from the Murdock press. It is not Tony Abbott's spin. When I,a firm ALP member reported the state of my party and Government, for over 2 and a half years, posters thought I was being unfair. Some of those posters here in this thread are quite wrong. The deep black hole my NSW ALP has found its self in, justified by their awful actions, the very worst in my party's history. DID not bring reward for the greens Tell me, how much did most here know of the Racist vindictiveness of the Anti Jewish bans by the green controlled Marickville council. Labor is on the very edge of the hole NSW has begun the long climb out of. Other links could have been posted, from this same paper. Showing the greens excepted much worse than they, in the name of their Triumphalism refused to pass in the last Parliament. I again challenge, firmly strongly honestly,the very idea if greens are so fragile, even one who has read the death sentence of Labor in a thread on that carbon price. Have they the right. Now or ever to muffle others views. In time beginning at the next federal election, a decline in the green vote will be proven. Those who oppose greens are not weird but middle Australia, on getting a leader my party will not be used as the only path to power by middle to high income Socialists Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 5:11:35 AM
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Yes, but once you have most or a large group of a party wanting to work with someone else, you have a chunk of a party refusing to do so. That equals factionalism, get factionalism within a party and parties dissolve rapidly (like the Democrats).
As to the concept, it is really rather simple. Destroy the "black market" by getting rid of demand. The only way that can be affected is to legalise, but legislate/regulate the sale thereof (http://www.leapaustralia.org/; http://www.leap.cc/; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8393838/War-on-drugs-has-failed-say-former-heads-of-MI5-CPS-and-BBC.html and http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8393838/War-on-drugs-has-failed-say-former-heads-of-MI5-CPS-and-BBC.html). The current approach has failed, miserably. Then again, I honestly don't think the Greens have the intestinal fortitude to stand on/behind the principles involved. This is a major National Issue, we spend considerably more on fighting this war than we do on the War in Afghanistan and the casualties from all causes are also significantly higher. Posted by Custard, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 9:58:26 AM
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Morganzola wrote:
>> The system should be made more democratic, not less so. A major step in that direction would be the creation of Multi-Member Electorates, the introduction of Proportional Representation and of Optional Preferential voting in all States. Of course, such an outbreak of democracy in Australia would undoubtedly be fought tooth and nail by the 'born to rule' Laberals. << It is for the above reasons, that I agree with the continuation of preferential voting where possible. It does at least give us more than the mere yammering of two voices. Those who are in favour of a two-party system, could you please give justification for such restrictions of the democratic process? Thank you. Posted by Ammonite, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 10:01:24 AM
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I'd be interested to see one, even if only as light relief from the overwhelming smugness.