Saltpetre

I agree with much of your last post and am having difficulty reconciling it with your views on SSM.

And finally (after how many years?), R0bert:

You questioned Vanna/Timkins on his interminable campaign to never enter into any positive discourse regarding men and women.

There's hope for us all.

Ammonite,
Amongst the vast amount of literature written about gender, would you like to point to a piece of literature written by Germaine Greer that says one good thing about the male gender (or 50% of the worlds population), remembering that she has received an honorary doctorate from both the University of Sydney, and also from the University of Melbourne.

Too difficult.

Well perhaps you could point to a piece of literature written by any academic in Australia that says one good thing about the male gender (or 50% of the worlds population).

"And finally (after how many years?), R0bert:"

Actually it's not a finally after years, it's been done a number of times before. I mostly don't bother because it does not seem to have any impact but when there is a clear opportunity for serious discussion then it's sometimes worth pointing out the missed opportunity.

R0bert

poirot,

I think is was Samuel Johnson who once said, 'cartoon analogies are the last refuge of the scoundrel'.

@R0bert: Actually it's not a finally after years, it's been done a number of times before.

I happened to stumble upon vanna's history last night, discovering the vanna/Timkins/HRS thing. And yes, he has been pulled up numerous times before by both genders, and banned for that matter. None of this has had any effect. I am surprised R0bert tried again.

I'm glad I did, because otherwise I would have been puzzling over this:

@vanna: Well perhaps you could point to a piece of literature written by any academic in Australia that says one good thing about the male gender (or 50% of the worlds population).

Obviously the implication there is none out there is gratuitous garbage. Even if the academic world really was against men there would be some renegade saying positive things out there just to get attention.

But without evidence to support just saying this is meaningless. And more to the point I would be a bit of a hypocrite. So I thought I'd find some, which turned out to be more difficult than I anticipated because I don't usually read this sort of stuff. Eventually I hit upon the idea of looking up the author's of "The Porn Report", who obviously are fairly comfortable with men and their behaviours. Oddly two of the authors are female, and one of those, Catharine Lumby, is an academic. As Catherine is a media consultant to the NRL I'm sure she has written a few positive things about men, but it turned out to be easier to dig up papers from the other academic author, Alan McKee. So here is a paper from Alan very supportive of men, gay men as it happens:

http://eprints.qut.edu.au/14931/1/14931.pdf

Now had this been a "normal" discussion, vanna would quietly make excuses, maybe about the heat of the moment, and everyone would move on. But of course it isn't. R0bert won't ever get an answer, and vanna will never move on.

rstuart,
I have never seen any positive statements written about the male gender by Catherine Lumby, but Germaine Greer was once married to a builder's labourer for 3 weeks,

During that 3 weeks Greer claimed she had sex with several other men, which highlights her morality, or complete lack off.

Catherine Lumby wrote this about Greer and the marriage.

"She paraded him as a piece of rough trade. She really was fabulous"

I would regard Catherine Lumby referring to a groom as being a “piece of rough trade” to be denigrating, and well below standards that should be required of any academic teaching students in Australia.

It would be similar if someone referred to a bride as being a "scrubber”, which feminists would probably think is offensive, and if any male academic said such, they would probably be cast out of the education system.

As for the paper by Alan McKee on gay men, his conclusion says the following:-.

“When they produce images of gay men which are recognisable to the audience, they contribute to the formation of identity and therefore self-esteem in a vitally important way.”

That’s about as far as he gets to saying anything positive about the male gender

The author of this article tries to state that men hate women.

Instead, I would state that there has been a sustained attempt to denigrate and demonise the male gender as much as possible, and this discrimination and male hatred has most often been carried out by academics within universities.