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Reflections on the plight of women in Australia : Comments
By Ian Robinson, published 1/7/2011It seems to me that the endemic misogyny of Australian male culture has not been banished but has simply gone underground.
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Posted by vanna, Thursday, 7 July 2011 11:22:32 AM
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"Fortunately women do not take the same attitude as you"
Very few women seem to be willing to speak out against other women expressing extreme idea's. There are a number but you don't seem to be one of them. It's all very well to speak out against those on the other side of a debate, much harder to speak against those largely on the same side as yourself who you consider to be going too far. You will be in a position to criticise when you have the gut's and integrity to stand against the lies and spin of the maternal bias crowd, to speak out against the extreme negativity about men and masculinity which forms the backbone of much feminist writing. Until that point it's just more self serving fluff. Perhaps your constant attempts to see the worst in your opponents marks you as one that other women should be speaking out against. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 7 July 2011 3:51:25 PM
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@vanna: Find an academic who has written something about the male gender, and then find the part where they have said something positive about the male gender. It might take a year, 2 years, 3 years, 4 years...
Turns out googling "positive academia comments about the male gender" turns it into a 5 minute exercise. (Note to self: when attempting to do something, try the obvious first.) From http://www.wwwords.co.uk/pdf/validate.asp?j=ciec&vol=7&issue=2&year=2006&article=5_Ashcraft_CIEC_7_2_web : "The need for and advantages of more male teachers have been touted by everyone from educational policy makers, school reformers, district administrators, principals, teachers and teacher educators to pre-service teachers." As you can tell from the references quoted in there paper, there are lost of other papers saying the same thing. With males leaving the teaching system in droves it is a very popular meme right now. I deliberately choose one with a female lead author to head off another path I can see you going down. I confess the idea of rubbing your nose in a female academic saying we need more male academics might have also held a certain appeal. I don't know how much more positive you can get. I am at a loss to know why I doing this, as I know it won't influence you in the slightest. I guess I am courious to see what the straw you grasp at next. Posted by rstuart, Thursday, 7 July 2011 4:53:25 PM
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Me too!
Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 7 July 2011 4:56:30 PM
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rstuart, the boundaries have expanded in vanna's latest variant. It started out as feminist academics from Australian Uni's. I tried and failed to get anything credible on that one. I for one appreciate that someone else has at least tried to rebut the claim.
I do wish vanna would back off on his obsession about uni's but the central point of how overwhelmingly negative they are about men and masculinity was well and truly substantiated for me by my attempts to answer vanna. Even if his challenge is met there still exists legitimate concern at the amount of what is in effect hate speech in a lot of feminist writing. I know it's a broad church but a little more dissent from the moderate denominations might help. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 7 July 2011 5:16:50 PM
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rstuart,
I typed in "positive academia comments about the male gender" into a search engine, and had a quick check. I couldn’t find any positive statements made about the male gender. There are some sections of education that want more male teachers, but they don’t seem to go so far as to state why. I’ve just read an article that said that “men with wider faces (relative to facial height) are more likely to explicitly deceive their counterparts in a negotiation, and are more willing to cheat in order to increase their financial gain.” http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2011/06/29/rspb.2011.1193 OH! So this must be true then, until you read that it was based on a sample of only 50 men, and took no account of racial differences. So put that one in the category of men are similar to the male zebra finch, and men are similar to the male desert goby fish (results of other studies released by university academics) You can say anything you want about the male gender within academia, and the more negative and discriminatory it is, the better. It no longer matters if it has no relationship to science or anything else. Posted by vanna, Thursday, 7 July 2011 6:21:22 PM
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So speaking out means continuous negativity and denigration of the male gender.
Find an academic who has written something about the male gender, and then find the part where they have said something positive about the male gender.
It might take a year, 2 years, 3 years, 4 years...