vanna I've asked this before and don't remember ever recieving an answer. What are you trying to achieve with your posts on gender issues?

You seem to want conflict even when there is opportunity for discussion.

Currently there seems to be more acceptance by a variety of posters regarding shared responsibility than I can recall ever seeing before on OLO. Rather than engaging with that you seem to prefer to try and polarise debate again.

Step away from Greer, university academics etc for a bit and see what else you have to contribute. If we can sideline the gender blame game what can we do to make things work better for all of us?

R0bert

Robert,

The article was on Greer, who was a university academic with no other qualifications other than a PhD in Shakespearian plays, yet she went about the world telling people how to live their lives, while never having one good word so say about the male gender.

Have a look at the new national DV policy, and see how bigoted and gender prejudiced that is, and then wonder where such bigotry and gender prejudice originates.

It originates in the media and from university academics who profit financially from that bigotry and prejudice.

@Poirot: My point about whinging,whining and moaning was in response to vanna's take on Greer, and to demonstrate that both genders do it.

I know your gone, but I can't resist responding. I don't agree with you on some level.

If your response to this from dane

@dane: Refer to my point about not trying to make women happy because it will never happen.

had of been "neither gender will never be happy with what that have got" then yeah, fine. But the way genders go about securing more for themselves is different. Women do tend to do it by demanding the men give them more. The men on the other hand tend to just take what they want. In other words, the women whinge and wine, while the men are aggressive. So no, your wrong, both genders don't do it. Instead do equally annoying different things.

@Poirot: No one, in the last few pages, had any offer of any constructive ideas as to how things could be made a little more harmonious for both genders.

Well that might be because from where I sit, the odd casual snipe like this article aside things are pretty harmonious right now. It's difficult to see how they could be improved.

Tes, 30 or 40 years ago that wasn't true. But back then huge changes were breaking over us. The two that stand out to me were the pill, and as I said before home automation meant home making wasn't a full time job. Those changes meant the bargain between men and women had to be re-negotiated, and things got rough at times. It was no accident the song "Fraction too much Friction" was penned back then.

But that was then, and this is now. Atman actually nailed it in the 4th post here:

@Atman: How long can people continue to 'milk' this old 1970's issue? Society has moved on, but old 70's rights campaigners and University Sociology Departments haven't. They continue to stoke the fire in a vain attempt to give themselves some much needed 21st century relevance.

Poirot,

I loved your comic rejoinder and heaven't read anything since on this thread, by the hounds (excluding RObert), that warrants turning the log back around : )

Squuers,
The author likes the Female Eunuch

Here is what Greer herself has to say about it.

“It wasn’t a particularly good book, and was very badly published, especially in Britain”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN3y4ZWzrdM

So what can anyone make of the whole feminist mess.

Except the knowledge that she made money out of it, and it is still being published.

I liked the article, though I didn't find any solution offered to a discerned level of disrespect on both sides - male and female - in Oz at least. Material girls, material guys, competition, different aspirations and different values - or at least different views of opportunity for the realisation of aspirations.

Added to the mix, we have to realise that gays (male and female) and feminists probably would have different views, expectations and aspirations to the straights - at least as far as career and financial security - as well as having to deal with attendant relationship complications.

Though we may revel in our sexuality, and our independence, we are all nonetheless dependent - on our culture, our business model and our social systems. Happiness and fulfillment are individual in nature, and one size does not fit all.

I don't believe that current educational or career opportunities can satisfy the indicated level of dissatisfaction among the female fraternity (sisterhood?). I feel they need greater respect, for their abilities, for their potential, and for the balance they provide in the life struggle.

Oz is fundamentally an under-developed culture, and it is time for us to outgrow the lackadaisical strain underlying a large part of our societal outlook. Perhaps our womenfolk are more astute at recognising this need, and are more directly impacted by its continued lack of attention.

I feel our education system needs a real revolution, with far greater emphasis on discipline and respect, as well as a far more intense focus on achievement. Of course our business ideology also needs reform, but the required reformation needs to start with early education and continue throughout our education culture, before the required impacts can be realised in our business culture.

It is time Oz got serious about its culture and its prospects.