Chaz, I'm glad you get such a giggle out of men being subjected to violence, it confirms what we'd all worked out. I'm so sorry to see you've had another reversion to childhood though. Perhaps a bex and a nice lie down?

Patricia, you're right, talking about you IS boring. Get a life, for heaven's sake.

Ammonite:"I'm still a grrrl, look at me."

That's nice dear. Do you have anything constructive to add?

R0bert, the real mischief is that Family Law reform is informed by the desire of the wilfully dishonest to be dishonest with impunity. It is a sad state of affairs when laws that will impact on the lives of millions are informed by misinformation from academics and the revenge fantasies of people who couldn't get along with their partner.

What a farce.

My apologies, I'd misread the title of the table with the numbers http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide/victim-offender.aspx .

In 2006/2007 there were 44 male offenders involved in killing intimate partners and 21 females.

Antiseptic I agree with the point that you made else where that the who does more is a distraction from the real issues. I'm a sucker for taking the bait with the misuse of stats though.

R0ber

Robert – again you go for apples and pears comparisons in a selective misuse of statistics and data. My point was in regard to the definitions of domestic violence as used to support claims of domestic violence against males. i.e. Hitting, Shoving, Throwing things.
The article illustrated the kind of typical sustained violence experienced by females over several years, and not a one-off incident, the definition and nature of which would be confirmed by the vast majority of two year olds, if asked.
I state typically because many females experience being held captive either physically or psychologically, “If you try to leave I’ll kill you and your kids”. They experience constant death threats, in this instance with a firearm, a cattle prod, strangulation with electric cord, and knives. They experience being sexually violated. In this case such violence and abuse lasted for 20 years, which is a fairly average period of time for such DV.
Notably his children were subjected to his abuse and he brought them to Court to be interrogated by him as witnesses, thereby compounding the abuse he inflicted on them.
I haven’t studied the statistics in detail which you posted, but was immediately struck that the greatest number of males were killed by their friends, almost three times as many as were killed by intimate partners. A proportion which is over double those of females who were murdered by friends. In effect males would appear to have far more to fear from their `mates’ than they have of their `partners’.
That is a small insight Robert into what I mean by qualitative research and qualitative analysis rather than simply accepting bare statistics to try prove some point.
Perhaps you can now provide us with a qualitative analysis of the forms of domestic violence, (Hitting, Shoving, and Throwing things) which are experienced by male victims compared to the types of violence experienced by females as illustrated above. Then we may be able to compare apples with apples, instead of the inane drivel of FR groups. I would recommend a course in research integrity before posting statistics again.

ChazP:"I state typically because many females experience being held captive either physically or psychologically,"

Dear me, Chaz, you're getting ever further dissociated from reality. Have you considered World of Warcraft? I understand it's a fantasy world filled with fearsome monsters and imaginary dangers. Sounds right up your alley.

Posted by ChazP
"I would recommend a course in research integrity before posting statistics again."

also posted by ChazP

"The selective use/misuse of information is part and parcel of any debate."

That pretty much sums up ChazP's position.

It's apparently Ok to use stats that use a wide range of DV types when the victims are female, not Ok when the victims are male.

The figures routinely posted to support a perception of vast numbers of women being effected by DV include those incidents which ChazP dismisses when men are the victim.

R0bert

Robert – You certainly are wriggling to try to get out of the hole you’ve dug for yourself and you’re still digging with further mess-ups with your statistics..!. “Whoops everybody, I gave you all the wrong numbers. – scrub what I said before and believe me now”. DUH!
.”It's apparently Ok to use stats that use a wide range of DV types when the victims are female, not Ok when the victims are male” – of course its ok to use both Robert, if you are prepared to argue their integrity, validity and utility ~ but don’t try to compare them because they are not comparable in the definitions used for DV.
How does ‘Hitting, Shoving, and Throwing things’ compare with “...sustained violence experienced by females over several years... many females experience being held captive either physically or psychologically, “If you try to leave I’ll kill you and your kids”. They experience constant death threats, in this instance with a firearm, a cattle prod, strangulation with electric cord, and knives. They experience being sexually violated. In this case such violence and abuse lasted for 20 years, which is a fairly average period of time for such DV.”?.
By trying to convince everyone that such distinctly different statistics are comparable is what I refer to when I suggested that male supremacists frequently engage in "The selective use/misuse of information”. The FR groups who gave evidence to the Senate Committee did not even mention this lack of comparability. but misled the Senate Committee into believing they were comparable. i.e. A classical example of the Selective use/misuse of information. Naughty, very Naughty to deliberately and blatantly mislead politicians..