Patricia get over it.

How about having a look at the behaviour of your fellow traveller ChazP or even the smears that Ammonite likes to add in whereever she thinks it suit's even when she is ever so gently correcting ChazP for a minor error, backed up by false claims by Ammonite that most of the links we provide are to pro-male sites (I wonder if it would be as bad if the links were to pro-female sites).

Do you think a male in a dispute with ChazP might have something to fear from false allegations given her stated attitude to truth?

Do you really think Anti's comments to you are so outside the norm in some circles that it's worth bogging the thread down over it? If so why no correction for females who let insults fly?

R0bert

Yes, we already get it, Patricia, it's all about you.

Meanwhile, in the real world, people like you are causing no end of problems.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/mother-kept-her-childen-in-nappies-well-past-the-usual-time-court-hears/story-e6freooo-1226094926951

"In a judgment published this week, Justice Watts handed the father sole parental responsibility, giving the mother only supervised time with her children until next February.

The parents have been ordered to ensure the children are fully toilet trained.

Justice Watts said if the children lived with their mother they would be exposed to her irrational ideas and fears.

He said he accepted a doctor's opinion that the mother's "enmeshed relationship" with the children was likely to undermine their psychological needs and could have drastic consequences.

"(The doctor) considers the mother to be extremely overprotective and is finding it difficult to let the children separate from her and assert their independence," Justice Watts said.

The mother wanted the older child home schooled.

In February, Justice Watts ordered that the boy attend school immediately, but in his latest judgment he said that was yet to occur.

The mother made a range of allegations against the father in court, but Justice Watts said she did not impress him as a reliable witness.

At times, he said, she appeared to be fabricating evidence.

The father claimed she would stop at nothing to avoid him having unsupervised time with the children."

This mother seems to have been trained by ChazP in the art of debate.

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"The selective use/misuse of information is part and parcel of any debate."

ChazP 14/7/2011

Further to the Thea Brown correction, I followed the tag the Monash placed on its website to ""correction of public record". Guess how many reports Monash has had to issue public corrections for? go on, guess...

http://www.monash.edu.au/news/releases/search?q=%22correction%20of%20public%20record%22

Yep, just the one report is listed, out of the thousands that are produced by the University. Every other group of researchers manages to properly peer-review their output before publication, yet this farce took over 18 months to be even found! Is that because the people involved are incompetent, or is it because they deliberately fudge results? I can't see any other possibility, can anyone else?

I take it back, Brown should be sacked and her fellow travellers should be too, this is a failure of the worst possible sort, in which false conclusions based entirely on the bias of the researchers has been propagated all the way to a report presented to government. I also doubt she had anything to do with the correction, it smacks of a desperate attempt by the University to limit the damage done and full credit to whoever had the guts to put it up.

At the very least, none of the parties involved should be eligible for government funding in future. Brown, McInnes et al have a history of making things up to support their claims. Just look at the way the SA Office for Women was forced to retract their claims based on McInnes's guff.

I also note that none of the papers that published the original press release have had the courage to print a correction.

Pelican, what I am advocating is a proper education program designed to teach all people that escalating situations to the point of violence is bad. Give people, especially women if they're the most likely serious victim, practical skills to manage conflict. Pretending that it's all the man's fault is not a successful model because it doesn't reflect the reality of how violence evolves in a relationship.

Small correction, this farce took over 4 years to be corrected. Does Dr Brown think she is above such trivialities as being accurate?

There was another example yesterday of a violent woman using a weapon to kill a man she was in a dispute with, in this case, a car.

I'm sure he deserved it...

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/woman-ran-down-and-killed-husband-while-visiting-his-parents-at-logan/story-e6freoof-1226094277862

"Police were called to a home on acreage on Zipfs Road, Alberton, about 1am where they found a 21-year-old man dead in the front yard.

A police spokesman said the couple from Varsity Lakes were visiting the man’s parent’s home when a family argument broke out, which resulted in the 20-year-old woman allegedly running over her partner in a white 2009 Holden Commodore Station wagon at the front of the property.

The spokesman said the woman then fled but was later found on the Gold Coast and was charged with murder.

The 19-year-old woman will appear in the Southport Magistrates Court tomorrow.

The police spokesman said the victim’s family witnessed his death."

I'm sure she just meant to scare him, eh Chaz?

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"The selective use/misuse of information is part and parcel of any debate."

ChazP 14/7/2011

No RObert, I will not “get over it” because I refuse to allow Antiseptic to get away with the irony that he has put himself in by his use of violence and abuse. Much like other bullies in mobster fashion, your comment to me to “get over it” is typical of the denial by men and some women that men are by far the primary perpetrators of violence and abuse against women because other violent and abusive men aid and abet their behaviour.

Antiseptic was the one who called Chaz, me and others who disagree with him "dogs", a "grub" and "creatures". He is the primary abuser but you're telling me to get over the types of behaviours that even the Nazis habitually invoked. First call them names, dehumanise their personhood, and then that leaves their consciences free to further abuse and even kill.

Much like other bullies, you have focussed on the comments by Chaz, who merely threw back what Antiseptic dished out. By his own behaviour Antiseptic is the primary aggressor and needs to be held accountable. In the same way history has shown how bullies get away with violence and even murder.

Hitler did not commit his human rights abuses on his own- he had help.

Again Antiseptic, it’s really about your arrogance. You primarily dish out victimising, demeaning, de-humanising and verbal abuse but you deflect your violent and abusive behaviour on someone else when the corrections are minor. Instead, you prefer to focus on “problems” that actually reveal the extent of how women may not believed but are instead ‘labelled’.

You also engage in the proverbial splinter in the eyes of others while you ignore the log in your own.

You selectively use violent and abusive words as part of this debate, but your use of it degenerates your contribution to nothing more than the sort of violence and abuse committed primarily by the men you claim are being falsely accused in the Family Court.

So don’t give me the typical bullying tactic that “it’s all about” me when I refuse to let you get away with holding the mirror up to your own face- you are abusive and cannot speak for the innocence of men that falsely state they didn’t do it.”

Like them- you did do it. You either take responsibility for your abuse, apologise completely and properly- or go away.

No amount of deflection to the behaviour and actions of others anywhere changes your behaviour on this forum. You wear it on with every abusive and violent word you used- "dogs" "grub" "kennel" "bone" and even "dear" in its demeaning context.

It's all over your face and you put it there.