Houllebeq - “ChazP says shoving, hitting and throwing things isn't violence”.. I have not made such a statement. If you had read, absorbed and understood what I said, it was that such definitions of domestic violence used in the original statistics submitted by Robert, and which are used widely by FR groups, are not comparable with the domestic violence events described in the article I quoted. i.e. Threatening with guns and knives, serious sexual assault including rape, assault with a electronic prod, threats to kill if the mother left, etc. We’re still waiting for Robert to provide a statistical information which includes such forms of violence against males for comparative purposes.
So don’t try to twist my words, nor demean Happy’s rightful statements that certain contributors used verbal abuse against other contributors. Happy made the case out clearly and convincingly, and if you associate yourself with their abusiveness, then you are equally guilty.
So Happy and I are in complete agreement regarding the abusiveness of your associates.

“I consider 'what is violence?', however it is defined, should be applied unilaterally and consistently to both genders. Anything else is dishonest.” – that is exactly the point I have made to Robert in his apples and pears comparisons. It had nothing to do with the report I referenced, but the statistics promoted by Robert. Now that he is wriggling and squirming to evade the issue and being hoisted on his own petard, you have clearly been contacted to help him out. But, as usual, your cavalry charge has blundered off in the wrong direction.
“It is far, far better to be thought a fool............ than to speak out, and remove all doubt.”
ONE WOMAN A WEEK IS KILLED IN AUSTRALIA BY A MALE PARTNER.

"Almost one in four children in Australia have witnessed violence against their mothers or stepmothers (Crime Research Centre and Donovan Research, 2001, from National Plan Background Paper pg 20)."

Posted by ChazP, Thursday, 7 July 2011 7:07:43 PM http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12255#212254

I refered to an article by the Australian Institute of Criminology which provides analysis Donovan Research from 2001 http://www.science.uwa.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/118532/Australian_Institue_of_Criminology-Trends_and_Issues_No195-Yound_Australians_And_Domestic_Violence.pdf
at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12275#212729 which claim's that the rate is 23% for violence witnessed against the mother or stepmother and 22% against father's or stepfathers.

As far as I can tell I was refering to the same research refered to in ChazP's post for the almost one in four figure which appears to use exactly the same criteria which ChazP now mocks.

I would also out that ChazP was asked by me to provide the missing detail. That opportunity was declined.

"If there are such figures to support what you claim, Robert, then I'm quite sure you will be only too willing to provide them. Unless of course you are willing to pay me a substantial reward for doing your research for you but then, I would not be willing to go on a wild goose chase. It would be rather like searching for squid on Uluhru."
Posted by ChazP, Thursday, 7 July 2011 7:53:43 PMhttp://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12255#212261

R0bert

'Almost one in four children in Australia have witnessed violence against their mothers or stepmothers (Crime Research Centre and Donovan Research, 2001, from National Plan Background Paper pg 20). '

ChazP. The first reference to the report.

She now says 'that is exactly the point I have made to Robert in his apples and pears comparisons. It had nothing to do with the report I referenced, but the statistics promoted by Robert. '

Chaz baby, it's the same farking source. You quoted it first. What were you saying about petards? Man some people are thick.

You're spending the whole thread arguing against the veracity of the same source you initially introduced. There was one survey, your source quoted half the results, r0bert found the other half.

If his half is bogus, so is yours. geddit?

This is a crack up.

R0bert, I admire your persistence in trying to hold a conversation involving rationalism and reason with Chaz. Sadly, the poor dear seems to have had a complete break with reality and would probably benefit more from a few months of complete silence and bed rest, or she could just go in to work as usual - I'm sure there's no reason for her to miss out on sleep while she's there.

Antiseptic, "Sadly, the poor dear seems to have had a complete break with reality".

I don't think that's the case, I'm of the view that it's deliberate and done despite a knowledge of what the reality is. Maybe I'm overestimating ChazP.

The maternal bias crowd are dependant on a perception that fathers are the main risk to kid's to try and get away with this scam.

While they know the stats are out there to show that parents regardless of gender are human, some better than others they keep highlighting the examples of bad males and claiming that opposing views are discredited (a lie repeated often enough) to try and reinforce that perception.

R0bert

ChazP,

Regarding "abusiveness".
I'm wondering if your "P" stands for "Pot", because you seem uncommonly adept at calling the kettle black.

Reading back through thus thread, not only has your tone been consistently hostile and bellicose, you have also often resorted to demeaning rhetoric as a tactic.

For example:
"Antiseptic - it's ok sonny. We all know your mummy didn't love you and that's perfectly understandable....Now sit quietly while the grown-ups talk about sensible things...."

and:

"Septic - it's ok. Now go and play with the toys in the shed, while the grown-ups talk seriously and sensibly about important things. It's such a pity that you don't have any friends to play with you in the shed, but you know the reason for that, as we all do. And please, try to get some help, sonny..."

"Septic - You do seem rather a sad and pathetic creature..."

".....it is the dinosaurs and dodos in the Father's Rights groups...."

So, for someone who not only condemns posters who use abusive and demeaning rhetoric, but also their associates, it's a shame you're not above resorting to such tactics yourself. It does a disservice to your cause and gets in the way of sensible progress on the issue.

My personal favourite was "PooRot..." - but then you probably think I'm a bloke.