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The fallacy of 'Retreat' for Coastal Zone Management : Comments

By Roger Welch, published 29/6/2011

The climate change ideologues have with a ‘science’ best understood by them, seized an agenda, and forced through legislation, which now threatens the homes and lifestyles of many Australians.

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It doesn't matter how cold your winter is it will not cool down sea temperatures. Record cold winters and record hot summers. With weather never seen before, u can not say nothing is happening.
Posted by a597, Thursday, 30 June 2011 2:12:09 PM
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Morgonzola,

it appears the problem of comprehension and shallowness lies entirely with you.

I haven't claimed to have read anything in depth. What I claim to have read was the outright contradictions in suzieonlines references to support claims islands are being submerged because of global warming.

Once again the 'warmist rump' on the losing side of the debate sink to a level of personal abuse rather than identify and discusd the issues.

Now come on Morgonzola, (Oops just about a misspelling) would you like to explain why it's been so cold this year? No one else from your 'warmist rump' appears to want to do so.
Posted by imajulianutter, Thursday, 30 June 2011 2:16:19 PM
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Imajulianutter tag says more about motives than anything.

We’re in a cold spell because La Niña (one of the strongest on record) has weakened. Do some basic high-school homework (rather than assert some stupid bold, brash and banal statement) - start with ENSO and its influence on the world’s weather patterns.

La Niña weakened this year and there was nothing much (certainly no El Niño) left to limit or constrain the ‘jet stream’. This allowed cool dry air from the polar regions to converge with warm moist air from the tropics and culminated in blizzards, snow and rain across much of the Northern Hemisphere. This is weather, nutter – not climate.

What you continually fail to understand, nutter – is that because it’s cold in one neck of the woods, doesn’t mean it’s cold in another. Who can forget Canada trucking in snow for their Winter Olympics?

Can we blame global warming for the recent cold spell? We just don’t know, yet. One thing is certain though, as you put more energy into a system, it heats up. The more it heats up, the more water vapour. The more water vapour, the more rain and snow – just ask the insurance companies.

As to your sea level ‘crap’. Accurate satellite measurements confirm sea levels are rising. They can only rise due to warming oceans and/or melting land-based ice sheets. They are rising faster than what was projected 5 years ago – 80 cm by 2100. This might not seem a lot, but tell that to 50 million people that would be affected.

You still don’t have a clue about ‘noise’ and ‘signal’ (natural variability and human induced forcing). Following your simple logic, global warming means warmer temperatures everywhere, every year.

We are emitting billions of tonnes of a heat trapping gas into the Earth’s atmosphere – far more and at a far greater rate than the oceans and terrestrial biosphere can absorb. An increasing world’s population with increasing dependence on fossil fuels will exacerbate atmospheric concentrations of this long-lived greenhouse gas, particularly under policies of ‘business as usual’.
Posted by bonmot, Thursday, 30 June 2011 2:22:32 PM
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I don't see why anybody should pay for control of erosion on private properties other than the owner. Live on the sea or by a river and there may well be erosion - deal with it. It's not rocket science to look at the coast or bank when you buy, look at some historic photos, and then make a judgement.
Posted by Phil Matimein, Thursday, 30 June 2011 3:35:04 PM
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Royal Navy definition of Climate.

'Meteorology is the science of the atmosphere. Weather are the events in the atmosphere. Climate is the average of those weather events over a 30 year period.'

You claim the warming climate is causing extreme weather events.

According to the RN definition that's, as Diogenes would say, 'ars-about'.

You also claim the alternating La Niña and El Niño effects caused the latest cold in Australia. I suppose it follows you'd claim similar effecs caused the coldest winter and heaviest snow in 100 years recently in northern hemisphere?
I agree.
But I understand how currents move and the effects large bodies of water have on the masses of air moving over them. I also know ocean currents have been moving about in cyclic fashion for hundreds of years and their courses are not influenced by carbon dioxide. That is unlike you who, again to quote Diogenes, has it ars-about.

'The more it heats up, the more water vapour. The more water vapour, the more rain and snow ...'
That's true and simple logic.

In our recent summer we had, along with most of the southern hemisphere, drenching and flooding rains from a massive monsoonal trough, cyclones and east coast lows.(Btw all normal weather events) Remember the scene played out in the media and how the 'warmist rump' claimed the extreme weather was to become the norm under global warming.

Remember the massive snowfalls in the northern hemisphere winter, and how that played out in the media ad nausum and now we have you suggesting they too were caused by global warming.

The planet has seen in the recent season a huge dumping of moisture from the atmosphere.
Now consider that moisture in the atmosphere is the single biggest contributor to the glasshouse effect that results in global warming and that concentration has now been hugely depleted by the recent snow and rain.

What would follow from a huge depletion of those elements that caiuse global warming?

That's right cooling.

It's cyclical.
Posted by imajulianutter, Friday, 1 July 2011 7:08:04 AM
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The heat content of the oceans is over a thousand times that of the atmosphere.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2701430/posts

So if sea levels are rising, it is a fair bet that the world is warming. 2010 was tied with 2005 as the warmest year since 1880.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2011/20110112_globalstats.html

And the above average temperatures continue.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/
Posted by Fester, Friday, 1 July 2011 7:47:56 AM
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