SPQR, I think you may need to take irony supplements.

Thanks for that SPQR, it does highlight just how often a consensus has proved to be wrong.

This is not surprising when you consider that most consensus are a hiding place for those who can not do the thinking or evaluation for them selves. The fact that a gravy train may run through it helps as well.

Nicco, I don't think there was a conspiracy started by climate scientists. I don't think many of them would be smart enough to start, or run a school tuck shop, let alone a conspiracy. No the conspiracy was started by a few cunning very left politicians, who saw a chance to use some poor science to further their objectives.

Most of the others have just climbed on board for the cash.

Have you heard the latest joke? It goes like this..

"Why do climate scientists demand to be buried only six inches down when they die? They decided it would be too hard to hold your hand out for grant money from six foot down".

You must be held in pretty high regard to have everyone talking about you like that.

Bonmot “It's not for me to say you are 'flaming' - suffice to say I think you are wrong, in my humble opinion.”

The point, bonmot, is those comments were not directed at you but at the subject in question at the time.

Your comments were directed at me personally, which the moderator and deem as “flaming”

I will say this once and only once and if you flame again I will simply register with the moderator my response again

I have posted here for many years (albeit with a gap in recent times) and for most of those years I have disagreed with people, people like Pelican and Ludwig, who I hold great respect for and do not flame me. We express our views and differences to opinion and understand the views of each and our own by being challenged.

I have grown bored of responding to those whose comprehensive skills seem somewhat limited and who choose to flame me.

Now, I find it more convenient to simply refer them to the moderator to deal with as they see fit.

Flame me again and I will refer you again to the moderator.

Nicco – from your rambling comments, I take it you have nothing of substance to use to challenge my opinion…. In which case, I graciously accept your submission to my view

However, I would point out, it is not up to you to dismiss my opinions. I hold and express my views publically and trust me, they carry some weight and have gained support across a broad range of groups.

rpg… death threat on Windsor – imho since he decided to turn-coat and sided with the socialists, Windsor – and Upshott have marked themselves as “Dead-Men-Walking” in the political context… neither has a hope in hell of ever getting elected again and they know it

Hasbeen "Thanks for that SPQR, it does highlight just how often a consensus has proved to be wrong."

hasbeen and our dearest Margaret (Thatcher) said of "consensus"

"To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects."

That puts Global Warming / IPCC / Carbon Taxes in their proper context....

I believe those who hold up against a blind concensus demanded by collectivists authorities are

akin to the lemmings who decided to go on a picnic instead of over the top of the cliff

Col, I appologised publicly - I didn't have to.

Rather than accepting the apology and moving on, you prefer to chastise with further admonition. That is a very telling character trait, Col.

Tell me Col, it seems you have a penchant for switching any article under discussion into bizarre ideological dogma. So, if I say your arguments are specious, or that you use sophisms to make your points ... is that flaming?

Why do I ask? Because while I think your comments might appeal to the prejudices and emotions of some, they are logical fallacies.

For example, it appears you think it's all a communist plot by blatant lying, arrogant, adulterous, narcissist, drunk, stealing, abominable, stupid, mass murderering, disgusting, pointless and despicable child haters.

As I said, there should be much debate about the carbon tax, and as an accountant your input would be of value. However, your assertions on ‘climate science’ are just that, assertions. And your specious argument about political dogma is just the musing of a sophist.

Bonmot what do you think of these quotes then?

"We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination... So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." - Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Climatology, lead author of many IPCC reports

"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen." - Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC

"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true." - Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

"We've got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy." - Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world." - Christine Stewart, fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment

"The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe." - emeritus professor Daniel Botkin

"We require a central organizing principle - one agreed to voluntarily. Minor shifts in policy, moderate improvement in laws and regulations, rhetoric offered in lieu of genuine change - these are all forms of appeasement, designed to satisfy the public’s desire to believe that sacrifice, struggle and a wrenching transformation of society will not be necessary." - Al Gore, Earth in the Balance

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsiblity to bring that about?" - Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

"A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation." - Paul Ehrlich, Professor of Population Studies