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On Spiritual Atheism : Comments

By Ben-Peter Terpstra, published 17/5/2011

To whom or what was Julia Gillard praying, since she tells us she has no god.

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OUG,

Just wondering what your "proof" is for the existence of God...and assume that you would be happy to teach children about God resting on that proof.

Not trying to stir, but interested in how you define God.

Would you consider that believing in a spiritual realm - some realm other than materiality - be akin to believing in God?
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 20 June 2011 5:19:00 PM
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OUG

The wise man builds his house upon the Rock - Jesus is the Rock.
Jesus is also the WAY. The WAY is narrow and not all find it.

Jesus also suggests that if people don't listen to God's word, then dust off your feet and move on.

Saltpetre.
God created everything and it was GOOD....correct.
What about the FALL?
It was ALL good until the FALL. Since the FALL there has been a curse ( through Adam) on mankind. That is the reason Jesus came.
He is the new Adam--the firstborn of new birth which is what the New Testament ushers in. The curtain in the temple was rent from top to bottom. Tearing away the old and ushering in a new covenant. No more blood sacrifices for sin. Jesus blood has replaced this HE is the sacrifice for the sin of the world.
The NEW covenant involves Bread and Wine instead of more blood.
Posted by Sandpiper, Monday, 20 June 2011 6:17:29 PM
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Houellebecq, "… juvenile jester routine…" I thought the soubriquet was because you are delivering so much more.

At times, I imagine us as characters with thought bubbles in the cartoon of ideas that is OLO. We all deserve and can respect whoever pricks our balloon. And vice versa.

I asked a work colleague, whether or not you actually existed. She reminded me she was a projection of my universal consciousness and the question was solipsistic. But she has a bad lisp and I fell off the chair laughing.

If it's true that human beings are genes' way of achieving immortality, then nothing is lost by reaching for Nirvana with both hands.

"Take up the challenge." Not sure what the challenge is… I didn't know Massey had a brother who wrote weird one-liners that aren't even funny. Is there a context? Should I think of anything that has traction. I'll let you know.
Posted by WmTrevor, Monday, 20 June 2011 10:04:36 PM
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pure/quote...""Just wondering what your "proof" is
for the existence of God...""

i once stared direct at the sun
and said god if you dont egsist let me be blind
[yes thats an insane thing to do]
never the less i saw gods face...[so to speak]

strangly the 'face'..i saw
was....much 'like' an engorged nipple
[or like a cell and nukleus][and yes i know its no proof]

god isnt the beloved christ
nor 'man''..nor ever was man
[think of the most holy mosus...[who if he looked upon the beloved gouarged nipple...was too holy...to say he peeked at gods face]

it would admit to a bit of explaining
but there is so much more to the tale
over a ten year period...like seeing a golden hand in the sky
[or rather the 'finger prints'...[golden clouds..arranged in the shape of a huge hand covering the whole sky over musgrave park..

and being speared on good friday[2002]
with barely a scratch

but so much more
i know im 'doing nothing to make my heart beat
or make my lungs 'breath'...nor digest my food...or work my mind
[it 'somehow'..all just gets done...well not really..its god doing it FOR ALL LIFE]

but there is more...look at your brain
but its more than a 'brain'..its also a mind
[they arnt the same thing]...mind feeds logic...

logic is because god is...
[just as life 'is'..only because god 'is' doing,..[sustaining] all of it

no life
no god

science claims it made 'life'
but EVEN THEY needed to empty out a LIVING cell..[to achieve 'life']

simply again
science cant make life
cant evolve it..can only pretend..and fake it

it dont matter what i think
watch a new born baby...attacking a nipple hungrilly
[they were only just recently...'with' god...
thus know what he looks like..]

KNOWS that nipple..that so looks like god..
is a thing they REALLY WANT...[just ask houlio]

""and assume..that you would be happy
to teach..children about God..resting on that proof.""

no
god gave me my personal proof
just as...he will give each..their own proof

when they are ready
[fully devoted into loving other]

continue
Posted by one under god, Monday, 20 June 2011 10:28:09 PM
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[its possably..only because
i looked..into the sun...WITH PURE love[open pupils]..
that im not blind today..or a statistic.."death by spear"]

mate..god gives us each
only that he knows*..we can handle
i knew god was real..*before he revealed his nipple

""Not trying to stir,
but interested..in how you define God."""

god is the living essence
that sustains aLL LIFE/LOGIC/love..[law]

the animater of this fleshy animouse[body]
just like the..electricity..that powers this computer

""Would you consider that believing in a spiritual realm
some realm other than materiality -be akin to believing in God?""

no its not the same thing
believing..isnt knowing

and knowing god done the whole creation thing
isnt ther same as having faith he dun it...

believing there are other dimentions
[like dick[astrophysicks]dorkins does
dont mean you believe in god...[cause dickkk rekons there aint one

or why else would he be locked into his chair]..
*'with a brain the size of a planetoid'
sitting where others need stand

""The wise man builds his house upon the Rock""

all true
its a shame about all them 'other'..
messengers in the old testiment
rotting in hell..

because there wernt no jesus around
when they wrote about having NO-one before god...
[except the son...lol]

""Jesus also suggests
that if people don't listen to God's word,
then dust off your feet and move on...."""

yes
ie/not damm them to an eternmity in hell

not bomb them back to the stone/age

how hard must it have been?
[jesus hanging beside a CRIMINAL...ie not a xtian]
and HIM saying TO hIM...THIS DAY you shall be with me in heaven

'MY FATHER why have you forsaken me'
yes thats a thing..."GOD' would say to HIMSELF?

""It was ALL good until the FALL.""

yeah just talking snakes
talking eve into a sin..safe as house

re the fall...lol
eve could have ben FORGIVEN HER SIN
by her father[adam]..dna doner../re the rib dna

he as her twin brother
can forgive a woman a foolishness

he as her husband...could forgive wife her foolishness

also satan...lol..[sorry,,the serphant..
gen 3;1..

did ask the woman
''did god forbid''...

[no her husband did]
Posted by one under god, Monday, 20 June 2011 11:04:14 PM
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OUG,

Thanks for that.

So you're saying that knowing is different from believing - and that God is the essence of creation - or that he "did" it - and that to know this and to have faith that it is so, is to embrace God. (although, I have a problem in assigning gender to an essence)

I was reading something on that yesterday which prompted my question.

Regarding newborns....for the newborn, there is no "other". To them there is no distinction between themselves and the nipple - everything is them and they are everything - no symbolic order, only unity.
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 7:40:33 AM
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