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Why does Israel have a veto over the peace process? : Comments

By Alan Hart, published 18/4/2011

Resolution 242 effectively gave Israel’s leaders and the Zionist lobby in America a veto over any peace process.

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What complete and utter BS.

Egypt started the Six Day War when it ordered the UN peace keeping forces to abandon their positions, and then blockaded the Israeli port of Eilat.

A blockade is an act of war.

Anyone who says different is either a left wing liar, or a left wing fool who does not have the wit to pick up a history book and verify what I said.

The Muslims want to destroy Israel because its very existence is an affront to their evil religion. Israel represents a backward step in the creation of a world wide Muslim Caliphate, and the only thing that will satisfy the Muslims is the complete obliteration of the Jewish state.

I can't believe the stupidity of those white westerners who condemn Israel for defending themselves, while crying over the Palestinians terrorists who are no friends of the West. The only way that peace will occur between the Muslims and the Jews, is when the Muslims stop attacking the Jews.

But the Muslims can't do that because Mohammad ethically cleansed the Jews from Arabia using genocide and they wish to emulate his noble example.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 18 April 2011 5:58:27 PM
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Danielle,"He (meaning Alan Hart) is a firm believer and premotes the 911 conspiracy." Which conspiracy are you referring to?

The one in which Arabs with box cutters who had no flying skills did impossible manoeuvres in 3 planes and planted tonnes of explosives in the towers and WTC 7,or is it the other one in which two buildings were hit by 2 planes and god changed the laws of physics so steel would melt and concrete turn to dust,and fall at freefall speeds as if there was no structure there!

Alan Hart for years fell in line with the official lie and he knew almost at the time is was a lie.I suspected something at the time,forgot it, but when I saw a study by Prof Niels Harrit and 9 other international scientists about nano thermite,I started to dig deeper.http://www.ae911truth.org/ http://patriotsquestion911.com/ The official story is an absolute lie.It is totally impossible and defies the laws of science and logic.

Good onya Alan Hart,you are a bonza bloke and have more courage and integrity than all the lying neo-cons here and on the rest of the planet.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 18 April 2011 7:05:50 PM
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Alan,

So to summarise, the Arabs invaded and tried to wipe out Israel in 1948, evicting jews from any land they captured. Then in 1967, the Arabs ordered out the peacekeepers and blockaded Israeli ports. Whether they were really ready to fight or not is debabatable, but Nassers rhetoric surely had the average Israeli in the street convinced that he was about to slaughter every one of them. Then in 1973, the Arabs again invaded Israel in a sneak attack.

And you want to tell us that the Israelis are the only belligerent in this mess. YOU MUST BE KIDDING.

Arjay,

Absolutely right, Why wouldn't the worlds best ever sabouters blow up a building that they knew a plane had not hit, 8 hours after the event. Especially when they had the NANO THERMITES. After all, how could you have access to such miracle technology, and not wire every building in the street?

D'oh.

Remind us all again why they would have planted explosives in WTC7 in the first place? If they had expert pilots who flew the planes into the right buildings, which were never going to collapse under their own weight, why would they need to blow up another small building that had practically noone in it?
Posted by PaulL, Monday, 18 April 2011 7:36:10 PM
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So what happened in 1973? If, as you say, Israel did not need to start the 1967 War, what happened when they were attacked in 1973? Surely, by your standard, that would make Israel (Post-1973) the nation which acted only in Self-defence? Thus they were entitled to the territory they successfully defended? After all, Begin & Saddat shared the Nobel Prize for the peace-accord over who owned what.

As for why Israel has the right of veto, it is because they own the land they defended in 1973, all of it, unless and until they decide to cede full interest in that land (including airspace & oceanic rights), which has not happened. Unless HAMAS and the PLA/FATAH wake up to that and try and work with others, why shouldn't Israel have a veto over its own property? If what happened in 1967 is free and clear of what happened in 1948, then what happened in 1973 overrides what happened in 1948 as well. Thus there is no guaranteed Palestinian anything, that was overridden as surely as anything else in 1973.

Israel has veto powers for the same reason that Australia has veto powers over its own territory, for the same reason every other nation has veto powers over its own territory. Because they claimed it, then defended that claim, whether legally or martially. Australia claimed the Torres Strait and defended it, but our Constitution prohibited claiming "inhabited land" (thus terra nullius was invalidated), the UN changed the rules in the late 1940's when handing over ex-Empire Land - there was a 4th means of obtaining land (Settlement, Cessation, Terra Nullius and then number 4 - per UN Resolution).

Both sides fought and died repeatedly but the only one successfully defending the land in 1973 owns it (according to your rules). The area now known as the State of Israel (including the Gaza Strip & the West Bank) was successfully defended by Israel against out-and-out aggression/invasion in 1973... Winner take all son.
Posted by Aaron 1975, Monday, 18 April 2011 9:21:30 PM
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Alan Hart is an extraordinary little man.

Alan Hart claimed that could have stopped the Six-Day War. The questions begs, or course, ...
"Alan Hart Speaks on 60th Anniversary of al Nakba, Manchester, England. 6th June 2008. Alan Hart, writer and former BBC/ITN broadcaster, speaks at a rally on the 60th anniversary of al Nakba"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA3SfRj7s8o

His constant tirades against Israel ... his obsession ...

Yet another conspiracy theory. ...

In 2007 Hart claimed without foundation that Israel was implicated in the kidnapping of BBC Journalist Alan Johnston ... stating that, if Johnston had been killed, the Israelis were behind it. In fact, Alan Johnston had been kidnapped and held for ransom by an Islamist group styling itself the "Army of God" or "Tawhid and Jihad Brigades" -- an "army" being one of Gaza's crime families , the Do'mu'

Hart's first book was a laudatory biography of the criminal Yassir Arafat. Many Palestinians would not see Arafat from Hart's point of view.

In 2007, Hart delivered the keynote address at the Empower India Conference in Banagalore, sponsored by the Muslim political organization Popular Front for India. He focused on India opposing Israel and resisting America.

Hart has made many such addresses ... all the same theme.

That he now promotes an extraordinary fable surrounding 9/11 is not surprising.

All Hart's claims are consistent with his fantastic conspiracy theories with Isreal and the USA at the centre.
Posted by Danielle, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 12:06:21 AM
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Arjay,

As one of the few realists corresponding on this article today, may I commend to you the story of an ex-AIPAC supporter in the US, Richard Forer, himself a Jew, but now an honest one.

This article by Paul J. Balles ” charts the journey of Richard Forer, an American Jew brought up on Israeli propaganda, who had his early beliefs challenged by friends and, consequently, embarked on an honest study of the facts of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. As a result, he underwent a monumental transformation.”

http://www.redress.cc/americas/pjballes20110419

It is very relevant to the article today and to those who subscribe to the truth.

Good to see you in print again.
Posted by rexw, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:11:11 AM
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