Poirit
It appears from various research that daycare centers only have positive results if the children are disadvantaged or come from single parent families (and one is often the other).

For the rest of children, daycare centers produce no positive results.

But the taxpayer is expected to fund every child anyway.

Suzanonline,
It is probable that men are making enough money. What matters is how much tax they pay, and what are current prices.

Men pay the majority of personal income tax, but these taxes are gradually increasing due to fiscal drag.

Many men also pay child support, and this acts as a second tax.

As well, prices generally increase according to the ability of the consumer to pay.

An example is the housing industry, where house prices are normally set at what the seller believes the buyer can afford, and not set on the actual value of the house.

So the price of a house could double in 5 years if potential buyers could afford it, but the house is still the same house.

If the average family has two incomes, then prices gradually increase, and eventually most families NEED two incomes (or more) to survive.

However I don’t know too many feminists or mothers who have figured out a way of increasing national incomes while keeping prices constant. Their focus appears to be on how to get more and more and more “government spending”, which is the more PC term for taxpayer funding.

So they want more and more taxes, and then wages have to increase, and then prices increase, and then the treadmill starts again.

So much for the feminist propaganda of “women and their children”.

It should be “women and their children raised by a taxpayer funded daycare worker while the mother and father work on a treadmill"

vanna,

Of course, you're right...woman couldn't give a toss about their offspring - apart from the prestige aspect and all that. In fact there's no better way to prove you're a real woman....it's all a gigantic lark in'it?

Quite frankly, you're nothing but a silly man. What the hell would you know about maternal instinct?
Don't answer - I tell you....zilch, zippo, nothing whatsoever.
You pontificate your odious sexism, and most of time the women on this forum try and talk to you in a reasonable manner - but you continue with your obnoxious rhetoric on and on and on....

Pointless to continue....

Birth implies death.

Each baby is born with a death sentence.

Vanna:”“It should be “women and their children raised by a taxpayer funded daycare worker while the mother and father work on a treadmill"”

Oh my goodness.

Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Hal-leeee-luuuu-jahhhh!

I think I need a tissue…

POirot, Jewely, Suze,

'You get enough children in childcare and in the end there are no kids for the infants to socialise with during the day outside of an institution.'

Haha.

So what is the solution? As a Man ( I love sentences that start with As a Woman, so I figured I'd try it out) many times I have pointed out this ridiculous state of child 'care' affairs, only to hear shrill cries of sexist! Misogynist! Dinosaur! Sex God! (OK I made that one up).

My partner works a couple of days a week (fence sitter!), but if we cut out our social life, and her wardrobe, I'm sure we'd manage without her income. But say 7 years out of the workforce, I wonder what her job prospects would be after all that. I wonder about her superannuation balance if we were to split as Vanna says is a forgone conclusion.

Regardless of feminist doctrine, I also don't know any women who would be happy for hubby to stay home and her to go to work full time. Most men aren't happy with the idea either, but I reckon fewer women are comfortable with that.

So, how do you compensate women for services rendered when money talks. I have argued the ties with children and personal rewards may be enough, but try that on at the divorce court and see how it bites.

I dunno Jewls, motherhood and guilt go hand in hand. I think all mothers would feel guilty dropping their kids off at day care. They're also guilty being a stay at home mum.

I have little kids and when dragged along to certain social events, I have to listen to the constant mind numbing conversation of other parents. Parents are no longer people, they're aliens obsessed with justifying each and every parenting decision.

The only thing that passes the time is playing devils advocate, which has the added bonus of being invited to less of these very cringe worthy events.

Houel not for one minute do I believe you planned ahead for any day you might split with your partner. Vanna is wrong anyway or every few years people would re-partner and we just don’t.

“I think all mothers would feel guilty dropping their kids off at day care. They're also guilty being a stay at home mum.”

That is a very big 3 letter word you got there.

“But say 7 years out of the workforce, I wonder what her job prospects would be after all that.”

Those first 7 years of their life vs what?

“I have argued the ties with children and personal rewards may be enough, but try that on at the divorce court and see how it bites.”

They are enough when all is said and done. It’s one of those things you have to look back on to comprehend and one of those things you can never get another chance at.

It’s probably not a conversation I can be very understanding about as you’d have to prove some dire need before not having a child cared for a by parent over 99% of their childhood was okay with me. I can let slide, cheer along or understand just about every parenting decision a parent can make, as long as they are in fact parenting.

Yeah yuck parenting events, puke, gag, vomit. Do they put Sex God or Devils Advocate on your invites?