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Polar ice melt and sea level rise: earth climate in uncharted territory : Comments

By Andrew Glikson, published 17/3/2011

Seas are rising faster than we previously thought.

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Andrew,
There is nothing new here. In a five part debate with Science educator Jo Nova Andrew was woefully un-able to build a compelling case for urgent action. Readers are recommended to have a look at the paucity of Glikson's arguments at Jo Nova's site...
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/04/no-dr-glikson/.
Posted by MarcH, Thursday, 17 March 2011 1:04:14 PM
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Yep, no matter how bad we thought it was ...its always 'worse than we thought!'

I notice this guy is big on putting as much chaotic and indigestible information into an article as possible in an attempt to force people to accede to his apparently superior understanding of the matter. Its an old ploy and it doesn't work.

He makes many nonsensical statements such as:

"Changes in sea level (SL), consequent on the cumulative outcome of thermal expansion or contraction of water and the melting or freezing of ice sheets and mountain glaciers (in the long term SL is also affected by uplift or sinking of continents and ocean floor), represent a definitive measure of variations in Earth climate."

So how can Sea Level be a DEFINITIVE measure of climate if sea level also affected by continental uplift and sinking? What nonsense!
Posted by Atman, Thursday, 17 March 2011 1:53:54 PM
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seems EVERYONE has been told
get it done this year ...or your fun-ding*..stops

its now or never..[the models are wrong]
science pushed by frauds [publish or perish]

ross garnew[
the ecoomist hired by john howard
to bring us a new tax to garnish off income on carbon]

was on the news today[abc news channel]
for arround half an hour

he revealed the new carbon tading oversight body
would look much the same and have the same standing
and powers structures..as the federal reserve..

ie not under federal control
not under parlimentry control
not even under minesterial
nor corperate control

ie all powerfull..
[its scary stuff]

he indicated the tax "will be" indexed
and quite a few other interesting..contention-points
[he is a scary dude...john blowhard at his best]

sadly i didnt bother looking for a transcript..
but it must be worth reading..this guy thinks he is god*

a damm ..e-con-o-mist*

also intersting was the recent big idea
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2011/03/15/3163439.htm

it was very revealing in revealing the structures of how they have been subverted from activism..into in house 'house servant status'

and how the lobby does its omnipotant things
[litle realising they were doing it*..[spin is the new green]
get a new tax..or perrish the paid thinking..[thought]

of course they didnt realise what big ideas ..they were revealing
and i cant find a written transcript to point it out..

simularilly the australian has a piece today
all the hit pieces are comming fat and fast

be afraid
very affraid
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 17 March 2011 2:20:55 PM
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lest we forget

It is becoming apparent that GE,
has a unique ability to cozy up to government.. massage regulations and bring dangerous toxins..into our lives---

and I mean seriously dangerous...[mercury]

NYT now tells us about the containment vessels
at the damaged nuclear power plants in Japan are manufactured by GE:

...the type of containment vessel and pressure suppression system used in the failing reactors at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi plant — and in 23 American reactors at 16 plants — is physically less robust, and it has long been thought to be more susceptible to failure in an emergency than competing designs.


GE is also heavily involved with the new CFL light bulbs
we will all be forced to buy...

and guess who makes windmills
and solar bits and pieces

who is involved in generating scares
as well as income
via lobby?

Read more: WHAT REALLY HAPPENED
The History The Government HOPES You Never Learn!

http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz1GpO8J7lq

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/03/tokyo-streets-and-shops-empty-and-air.html

CNBC's Jim Cramer: Japan not a crisis.
No Chernobyl. Go back to buying stocks!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42090187

CNBC is owned by General Electric,

http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz1GpPPJjJi
http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz1GpPcncfU

the global-warming issue
is a great ge scam

there is no limits
to how far they will go

these are al'gores mates
running your govt

Fukushima:Mark 1 Nuclear Reactor Design
Caused GE Scientist To Quit In Protest[35 years ago]

after becoming increasingly convinced
that the nuclear reactor design they were reviewing--the Mark 1--
was so flawed
it could lead to a devastating accident.

Questions persisted for decades about the ability of the Mark 1 to handle the immense pressures that would result if the reactor lost cooling power,

and today that design is being put to the ultimate test in Japan.
Five of the six reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, which has been wracked since Friday's earthquake with explosions and radiation leaks,..

*are Mark 1s.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/#ixzz1GpPz7ysK

solar-cells
will last only 25/30 years
wind turbines much less
then what?
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 17 March 2011 2:43:58 PM
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What's with you denialists? Are you afraid of the truth about climate change? Putting your head in the sand like the proverbial ostrich? Why don't you look at the vast majority of scientific papers that say climate change is real, it's happening now and unless we reduce the amount of carbon we put into the atmosphere, we will face a very different world that will experience ever more extreme weather events and inundation from rising sea-levels. Bob Carter, Ian Plimer and Jo Nova are a tiny minority of scientists who question anthropogenic climate change. By all means, read them, but read the rest of the literature as well. If you don't understand the literature, stay out of the debate!
Posted by popnperish, Thursday, 17 March 2011 3:36:10 PM
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popnperish -- we HAVE looked at the (not vast) majority of papers that support AGW. We have noted that they contain lots of 'potentially's and 'might's and 'possible tipping points', like Dr Glikson's paper, but very little in the way of verifiable predictions. We have noted that where they DO make verifiable predictions, those predictions have not been verified. We have noted that the majority are funded by governments which committed themselves to AGW 'action' when they thought it was a good way to separate a scared populace from their money and their rights, and that many, including our own PM, are now learning otherwise. We have noted that the main proponents of AGW vilify their critics and recommend and carry out activities that are unethical, unscientific and often illegal.

Then we have looked at the (large) minority of papers and articles written by people who have no vested interest, and have discovered them to be clear, honest and convincing. You should try it. You could start with the 850(!) papers here: http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
Posted by Jon J, Thursday, 17 March 2011 3:49:35 PM
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