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Sweden no model for sex laws : Comments

By Elena Jeffreys, published 17/3/2011

Criminalising everything but prostitution in Sweden hasn't stopped prostitution, just made it liable to corruption.

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Rhys Jones,
There is a major difference between a prostitute selling their body and someone in business developing a product for sale.

A prostitute doesn’t have to do much or think much, they have to undergo no education or training programs or pass exams, they don’t have to show much initiative, they do not have to invent anything new, they do not have to seek loans from the bank, or repay loans etc.

In fact, by selling their bodies, prostitutes are using no brains at all, while the rest of us are required to think.

Prostitution is a seedy life and a mentally lazy life.

But if you like prostitutes, have a group of them standing on every street corner where you live, and see what it does to the house prices in your area.
Posted by vanna, Thursday, 17 March 2011 9:00:47 PM
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*In fact, by selling their bodies, prostitutes are using no brains at all, while the rest of us are required to think.*

Ah Vanna, clearly you have never thought much about this topic.

That may well be the case for your common housewifely kind of pro
that you are used to, not so for high class working girls, so lets
look at the evidence.

The Italian PM showered his girls with 10'000$ gifts, when he
used their services. Eliot Spitzer, the well known US identity
caught out with call girls, was paying 2500$ or so an hour for their
time.

Now I put to you that nobody has ever paid you that kind of money
for cleaning toilets, as you claim to have done for a good portion
of your working life.

Clearly it takes a fair bit of talent and thought, to extract that
kind of money from the marketplace. Give credit where credit
is due!

If a girl can extract that kind of money for her time, good luck
to her. But don't call her stupid, for unlike you, she does not
have to clean toilets for a living.
Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 17 March 2011 9:43:03 PM
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Dear Vanna,

The topic at hand is not whether prostitution is good or bad, moral or immoral, intelligent or stupid, nice or ugly, etc. That indeed may be the subject of another topic.

The question we face is, what's the state/government/authorities got to do with it at all. Further, the state being itself an immoral entity in essence, what possible right has it got to dictate moral behaviours?

People ought to decide for themselves how they are going to live, whether they be nice or ugly, intelligent or stupid, wise or foolish, good or bad, etc. The only time when a state has a right to intervene is when non-consenting parties are adversely affected. Even if two people decide to kill each other (which I don't recommend), that's only their problem and nobody else's business.

But let's look at it from a different angle:

When one is faced with the option of doing good or doing bad, and makes the conscious choice to do the right thing, that has merit, that's courageous, that's meaningful, that's uplifting, that's spiritually advancing. On the other hand, if one is forced to do the right thing without being allowed the opposite, then there is no goodness in it, no merit, no value, nothing but an empty superficial action made out of fear or weakness, nothing but humiliation of spirit, nothing but violence. Take away our choice for life, our choice to display our goodness and reject evil, and there is no point left to live for, we might as well be dead already.

If consensual prostitution is bad (for the prostitute and/or for the client, as opposed to 3rd-parties), then give people the chance to show their goodness and wisdom by staying away from it. Some might stray of course, to their own detriment, but that would be the only way to allow the rest of us to exhibit our personal commitment to good values.

It is a mistake to attempt to control the world, to create outcomes. Our only responsibility is to make choices, as outcomes are in the hands of God alone.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 18 March 2011 12:56:18 AM
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A prostitute isn't selling "her body", she's selling services. The client has no resulting property right in her body. It is true that she needs her body to perform her services, but so does everyone else. A prostitute is no more selling her body than is a dentist or physiotherapist or waitress or parliamentarian.
Posted by Peter Hume, Friday, 18 March 2011 8:51:03 AM
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Yabby,
I was a cleaner for about 6 months, and I was maily doing it at night while I did other things during the day, including some study and building a small business that now exports software.

I have lived in appartment buildings in some cities in other countries that had prostitutes in them, and I wouldn't recomend living with a prostitute next door.

They use their bodies and not their brains, and many are just mentally lazy individuals who contribute little to society while seldom paying their share of tax.

Basically, they are lazy parasites that feed off society while contributing very little of worthwhile value.
Posted by vanna, Friday, 18 March 2011 9:14:50 AM
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Considering recent attempts to apply a "surprise sex" charge that is able to operate against overwhelming evidence to the contrary, coincidentally, against someone who leaks embarrassing government scandals to voters;

I'd say Sweden has lost a profound amount of credibility in the "Democracy and rule of law" department- let alone 'combating sex slave industry' department
Posted by King Hazza, Friday, 18 March 2011 9:19:57 AM
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