JamesH the drunk behind the wheel is putting others at risk. How is a drunk women putting anyone else at risk if she is passed out at a party? What a nonsensical comparsion.

However if a drunk women gets into car and drives then yes 'she' is responsible for what might happen next.

I must be missing something in this drunkeness debate, it is pretty simple. A passed out person or one that is rolling drunk cannot give consent. It is not complicated.

Pelican

When you discussed cleavage, it seemed reasonable to assume that you were commenting on the original article. The main section where cleavage was discussed was in relation to Glee actress, Lea Michele. It was alleged that her Cosmopolitan photoshoot strayed too close to child porn, as Michele is best known for playing a schoolgirl. The controversy had nothing to do with rape. Since you have written that you "have no idea what story that related to", I now doubt that you made any effort to read the original article and were-not commenting on points raised in it.

Instead, it seems that you were discussing community attitudes about women's clothing and rape. I believe that there is a widespread pattern of comments about rape being misinterpreted in a way that makes them sound much worse than they are. There is plenty of evidence on the OLO threads that you mentioned. For example, some people suggest that women need to dress modestly to lower their chances of being sexually assaulted. I personally think that this is an unreasonable expectation, but I do-not think that it is fair for you to interpret this as other people believe that "she asked for it". Interpreting other people's words in this way is indeed malicious.

pelican I think that the issue about consent when drunk is often played in a simplistic manner for the sake of politics rather than as a genuine attempt to deal with the issue. That is probably why it generates such angst.

Drunk people do choose to have sex, often with other drunk people. I get the impression that it's not unusual for part of the motivation for getting drunk to be letting down inhibitions. The issue seems to get played as letcherous in control male's taking advantage of drunk helpless female's but I don't think that's generally the reality.

Maybe a bit like underage sex, you can't legitimately consent when you are underage but if both participants are underage (and of a similar age) and other than the age factor it's a consentual act then one party should not be more responsable than the other.

R0bert

Yes Pelican a passed out person cannot give consent, but then a passed out person would not be able to drive a car either.

Intoxication affects people differently, ever heard of alcoholic blackouts, they are real and the person affect has no memory of the events that occured during the blackout.

Firstly there is a huge leap from having consenual sex with an intoxicated person, to having sex with one who has passed out.

It never ceases to amaze me how some will firstly talk about drunkeness, and then define drunkeness to mean 'passed out'. When the vast majority of the time, drunks can be very mobile and do some increbibly stupid things.

I also wonder why is only women who are deemed incapable of giving consent when intoxicated, would not men also be incapable of forming intent or be able to give consent as well when intoxicated?

So if a sober woman, has sex with an intoxicated man, is the man able to give informed consent?

A good article, Jennifer. Melinda AFAIK, is a Catholic. Their
beliefs seemingly have very little to do with what is normal and
natural.

Pelican, you seemingly are missing the double standards being
applied. If a girl lands up very drunk, she is seen as a potential
victim. If a bloke lands up very drunk and puts a foot wrong,
alcohol is seen as no excuse, he should be responsible for his
actions and thrown in jail if he got it wrong.

Even you should see those double standards for what they are.

Pelican,

Your comment, which I fully agree with, that

".... a passed out person or one that is rolling drunk cannot give consent. It is not complicated."

was not a backhanded dig at Julian Asange, by any chance ?

The world is so unfair !