It's interesting where an ideology of separatism leads, isn't it ?

Hazza,
Sorry for misreading some of your points. But your insoluble problem is that there is nowhere in Australia, no region, let alone state or territory, which is populated only by Indigenous people: everywhere, and the larger the entity, non-Indigenous people are in the majority. In Australia, as a formal democracy, everywhere, non-Indigenous voters are in the majority, and I really don't hear any calls for autonomy, let alone statehood, let alone independence from them.

Of course, there are settlements and towns and villages and out-stations which are overwhelmingly Indigenous, but I'm presuming that you are advocating separate rule for entities which are large enough to be called regions ? Are you proposing that the non-Indigenous people there should not be able to vote on issues to do with federal-regional relationships ? If they can vote on those issues (that's if those issues ever get raised), then why hasn't it happened already ?

Please consider chucking aside this notion: I'm not saying that you are racist, but this notion is fundamentally racist. Mansell's notion of an independent Black Australia is a racist idea, especially if it presumes that there are parts of Australia which are NOT Indigenous: all of Australia is Indigenous and also non-Indigenous: it belongs to all of us - apart from the private property rights (including Native Title rights), of course.

Alison,

Any private property owned by an Indigenous group or individual is still private property - you can't go onto it, any more than any Indigenous or non-Indigenous person can come into your yard, on onto your property without cause. BUT -

* any roadway, facility, school, clinic, etc., on Indigenous land, which has been financed by public funds, is a public facility: you and I can make use of it. If a publicly-funded road goes through an Indigenous community, then you and I can drive on it. We can send our kids to the school there, get treated at the clinic there, use the publicly-funded airfield there if they have one.

And vice-versa.

[TBC]

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As for our grandkids being coffee-coloured, I'm not engineering it - it's happening, as it always has done. People fall in love with each other, regardless of what you or I might say - kids are like that, isn't that so ? Watch who mixes with whom as they come out of school - kids are often not as racist as their parents and grandparents, they mix with whoever they damn-well like. Nobody has to force it - Jay is absolutely right:

"Africans don't walk around saying "Hmmm...a blended humanity!...that'd be the way to go!" '

Alison,

There is no conspiracy, except perhaps from people who organise or distribute racist material AGAINST the free association of everybody in Australia. That way, of course, lies Apartheid. Is that what you are proposing, all over again ?

Or are you proposing some form of pre-emptive Apartheid, by campaigning to stop immigration altogether ? Back to the fifties, is it ? And would you drive the Indigenous people back to settlements and missions - although nowadays, in the name of 'autonomy' ?


And 'flooding' ? The largest groups of immigrants are still those from the UK and NZ. Australia has refugee obligations, given that there are forty million of them in the world.

But 'flooding' ? I was driving around a bit here in Adelaide yesterday, and saw probably a dozen Africans who, being usually without cars, tend to be waiting for buses, and on the streets more than people who have cars: there's nowhere near as many of them as you fear, Alison. I wish there were more.

And nobody is saying that you have to marry one of them, or an Afghan, or a Vietnamese, or anybody else other than someone lily-white, if you don't want to. If you don't want to be friends with people from other countries and experiences and backgrounds, you don't have to. But you'll never know what you've been missing.

[TBC]

Jay,

Nobody is saying that, as each beautiful, coffee-coloured baby is born, some pasty Whitefella has to be euthanased. There is no genocide involved in marrying whoever you like and having their kids. As a pasty Whitefella myself, I'm aware of how inappropriate our complexion is for Australian summers - extra melanin would better ensure the better survival of our grandchildren.

But if you yourself want to promote the genocide of White people, by all means, advise them to all inter-marry with each other and get plenty of sun. I'll just sit in the shade and marvel at the beauty and grace of my coffee-coloured kids and grand-kids.

To get back to the topic, yes, there has to be reconciliation sooner or later, but panaceas come and go, leaving behind only a sense of deeper disillusion as each one falls short. Let us do the job of closing the gaps first, then when Indigenous people as a whole are ready to reconcile, and not just their 'leaders', we can make reconciliation real.

Just by the way, about 2.6 % of the Australian population is Indigenous. But more than 4 % of the Australian population under 15 is Indigenous. About 2 - 2.2 % of the Australian adult population is Indigenous. Commencement numbers of Indigenous women at universities is about 2.4 % of the NON-Indigenous men's numbers.

Yes, they are participating at a better rate, for their population, than NON-Indigenous men. To me, that's one giant step on the long road to genuine reconciliation.

Joe Lane

@Joe
Nobody said anything about Euthanasia, though in theory that could be a tool of genocide.
You're being called out on your persistent calls for white Genocide, if you put yourself in that position you can't expect much sunshine to come your way.
The only people who, in your view would need to become coffee Coloured would be White people, you want White skin eradicated for a whole host of reasons which you've listed in this thread.
Your views apply to White people and only White people.
You can laugh all you want but you're out on a limb here, you support Genocide in a public forum, where your IP can be noted, that's a pretty silly thing to do.
Hitler didn't physically harm anyone but he talked about it a lot and some folks got the Steel Broom treatment all the same, the repercussions are still being felt today.
We can only offer you a respectable alternative for so long, nice people don't joke about eliminating a whole race because of, among other things the colour of their skin or this Race problem we have, so will you answer the Iron question once and for all?
Are you pro White or Pro White Genocide?

Jay,

Without the slightest hesitation, I support inter-marriage - marriage between willing partners. But whether I support it or not, it will keep happening, on an increasing scale, and with increasing degrees of complexity. There is little I can do to promote it, nor much you can do to stop it.

The common pattern seems to be that once a new group of migrants get used to their new society, its characteristics and opportunities, and once the rest of the population gets used to their newness and difference, and realises that they are human beings like the rest of them, then friendships and long-term relationships are formed, and marriage and children follow.

The logical consequences of inter-marriage on a large scale in Australia will be the creation of many, many coffee-coloured, honey-coloured, milk-chocolate-coloured children, usually dark-haired and dark-eyed, almond-eyed and beautiful, with rich and very mixed ancestral histories. We should be so lucky, Jay.

You're right, I don't find White people particularly attractive or superior in any way. But history is on MY side: the mixing of groups has been going on for thousands of years. And of course, people who don't want this to happen to them always have the option of returning to Europe if they ever find trying to live with beautiful people around them is, for some reason, too difficult.

Nobody is going to get eliminated, Jay. You and I may not pass on our 'pure' White genes, that's all. We don't have much control over what our kids decide to do, or what happens after we are gone. Just rest assured that your descendants and mine will be better-looking, more intelligent and probably better people than either of us :)

I hope that you can reconcile yourself to a better future for our kids.

Joe

Joe.
"Groups" have not been intermarrying for thousands of years otherwise we would have a blended humanity already, the fact that there is any interaction now is due to a deliberate change, post 1945 in the laws in White countries and only White countries.
Nobody is flooding Japan with non Japanese.
Nobody is flooding Nigeria with non Nigerians.
It's White countries and only White countries that are being opened to non White Migration and being required to "assimilate".

You say there is a race problem with Whites and the inevitable and final solution is to make everyone in White countries Brown.
You say you are Anti racist but what you are is Anti White.
Anti Racist is a simple code word for Anti white.
Other posters don't seem to be leaping to your defence, I'd assume it's because they don't want their profiles associated with the promotion of White Genocide.