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Can Australia afford not to be reconciled? : Comments

By Patrick Dodson, published 3/12/2010

Patrick Dodson's reflections on the way forward for indigenous Australians

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Hazza,

Just to add to what Spindoc wrote, Scotland is probably not unique in being the product of a few thousand years of migrations and invasions and colonisations, which have all contributed to the make-up of the population.

The various Celtic groups, the Picts, the Scots, the Norse and the Danes, the Normans, the southern border populations, the various mongrel breeds of English, long-term interaction between the Islands to the north and west and the mainland these have all added to a very complex gene-pool. Japanese ship-building crews, Russian refugees, post-war immigration - Scotland is nowadays a very beautiful, polyglot, poly-ethnic society.

And they ALL vote in Scottish elections: there is no 'racial' or ethnic qualification required: whoever is there, can vote. All of them, together.

I guess, my mob, from Aberdeen, Forfarshire, Lanarkshire, and Roxburghshire, are a mixture of all of those groups.

So how does that square with your notion of an Indigenous-only electorate somewhere in Australia ? Conversely, how similar is your notion to the old Apartheid dream of separate 'nations' for 'different' groups, with the whites of course fairly explicitly still in charge ?

Is that what you really want ?

Meanwhile, the great majority of Indigenous people live in towns and cities across the entire country: I'll repeat - do you really think they would tolerate being deported away from their homes, to their 'own' country, just for your perverted fantasy ? I don't think my kids would agree.

For Christ's sake, think about what you are saying.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 6 December 2010 8:44:12 PM
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Dear Hazza, my post was deleted by GY for “flaming”, and rightly so. If you read my post before it was deleted and any offense was caused, I apologize.
Posted by spindoc, Monday, 6 December 2010 10:17:49 PM
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[Deleted for aggression.]
Posted by King Hazza, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 8:03:12 AM
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@ Hazza.
Don't pay too much attention to the genocide apologists.
Contrary to what they say the indigenous people of the British Isles are not terribly genetically diverse as recent mapping has shown.
The Irish have less than 2% genetic admixture from the continent, in Wales, Cornwall and Scotland it's less than 10% and among the "mongrel English " (that Joe hates so much that he compares them to dogs) the European admixture is no higher than 30%.
Africans have never invaded Scotland nor moved there of their own volition.
Asians have never invaded Scotland nor moved there of their own volition.
It is unnatural for those people to be in Scotland as they are not Indigenous Scots, just as it is unnatural for White, Asian or African people to be in Australia.
The dilution with non Indigenous immigrants of the Scottish people was done on purpose specifically to reduce the number of indigenous Scots in that region.
We are however stuck with this situation, we can't go forward and we can't go back with the system we have now.
The definition of Genocide under international law is purposefully broad so that there can be no tolerance whatsoever, in public policy, political thought or public speech of crimes against specific racial or ethnic groups.When Joe talks about the "Beutiful Polyglot" Scotland he's justifying Genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Indigenous Scots, he's promoting something that defies all laws both natural and man made.
Similarly your plan to ethnically cleanse a specific area of Australia for the benefit of one particular group would come under the definition of Genocide.
So this is the impasse, we have laws to stop genocide because of events which have occurred in the past yet because of mass third world immigration into White countries and only White countries we can't go forward and we can't go back.
Ever get the feeling someone wants things this way, that they want the people of Australia to be powerless to change the status quo?
The term Anarcho-Tyranny comes to mind.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 8:51:33 AM
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Interesting company you keep, Hazza.

Jay, you wrote:

"The dilution with non Indigenous immigrants of the Scottish people was done on purpose specifically to reduce the number of indigenous Scots in that region."

By whom ? The US ? Jews ? the military-industrial complex ? the bankers ? the Swedes ? And I thought that conspiracy theory was a Left monopoly.

And then you partly redeem yourself by writing:

" .... your plan to ethnically cleanse a specific area of Australia for the benefit of one particular group would come under the definition of Genocide."

No, not genocide, but certainly ethnic cleansing. But deporting half a million people or more out of 'Indigenous' areas, and close to half a million Indigenous people out of the other 'non-Indigenous' areas would probably degenerate into full-scale murder, as in India-Pakistan in 12947-1948, or in the former Yugoslavia in the nineties, so you are probably right.

To reiterate Hazza's point: he is seeking to empty one part of Australia of non-Indigenous people (either that, or keep them permanently disenfranchised), and presumably require Indigenous people in 'non-Indigenous Australia' to be deported out to their 'natural habitat', 'Indigenous Australia'.

Ergo, ethnic cleansing.

If Hazza thought this through - or Michael Mansell and the other pipe-dreamers - they may realise the horrific consequences of their Brilliant New Idea.

No, probably not.

"Ever get the feeling someone wants things this way, that they want the people of Australia to be powerless to change the status quo?"

Yeah, those conspirators have always had enormous power to shape the universe. Whose do you mean, Arjay's or AGiR's ?

That's interesting - I wonder if they are the same person. And I wonder if they know it.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 11:03:23 AM
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Jay:

"When Joe talks about the "Beutiful Polyglot" Scotland he's justifying Genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Indigenous Scots, he's promoting something that defies all laws both natural and man made."

So ..... I'm responsible for history ? Wow, and I thought I was just a short, fat, old fart, living peacably here in SA.

I'm certainly not happy with what happened to the people in Scotland under the English heel, expelled from their lands and dispersed all over the world, just for a few English sheep. I get the idea that my ancestors had to shuffle all around Scotland and even into England, looking for work. My convict gt-gt-grandfather may or may not have stolen a loaf of bread, as the stereotype goes, although yes, my English convict gt-gt-grandmother was up for thieving what would be worth tens of thousands these days, but that's the Poms for you.

What's been done, has been done. No amount of ranting, or praying, or weeping will change that, anywhere. How do we pick ourselves up and move on, never forgetting ? How do we prevail over adversity rather than let it dictate our destinies, and drag us down ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 11:29:23 AM
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