Yabby/Pelican..........I just cant believe what Ive just read. The Catholic church is not doing these poor third world people any favors at all.........in-fact their escalating the problem, and giving a new meaning to the word misery for financial gain and blatant control. Condoms are by far the best contraceptive.....and fester....that's your best argument? Oh dear..........and Vanna.....the both of you need to clear your eyes and see the truth.

Anyway just watch this funny vid and you will see the bigger picture, by using life-sized people for the example.

http://tinyurl.com/2bqdp9l

Second and third world countries need reduction and sustainability now............before their whole system collapses.

Religion with its breeding beliefs are doing damage beyond belief............and Yabby/pelican.........I wont post on this subject any longer..........I'll leave it in your very capable hands:) and your welcome, as to the link.

Good luck.

BLUE

Pelican,

No thanks for your personal lecture. Are you trying to take the high moral ground by giving me a personal lecture.

I think so.

Here is a map of countries and their HIV infection rates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:People_living_with_HIV_AIDS_world_map.PNG

There is no correlation between Catholic countries and rates of HIV infection.

You will also find no correlation between Catholic countries and population replacement levels.

It is simply a trendy thing amongst academics to condem the Catholic church. They might get ticks or stars for it.

However, there has been a very good correlation found amongst black communities in the US that have very low marriage rates, and the rates of STDs, drug addictions, violence, gangs and just about everything else.

Something to think about when contemplating the feminist heaven.

*If the RCC didn't care about argument, then why do they spend so much time engaged in it?*

Fester, the Vatican and many Catholics, will use any argument to
promote and justify their dogma, but at the end of the day, they
consider themselves as the arbiters of what the almighty thinks,
so whatever you argue, you must be wrong and they must be right.

What is humane is not the issue, for deep in the bowels of
Catholic faith, you will find that they consider suffering to
be noble. There are good reasons why Opus Dei use little whips
on themselves.

I've yet to see anywhere, where the Vatican accepts that human
overpopulation, could be harmful to humanity. What I have read
however, is that the Vatican wants to make sure that more little
Catholics are born, as they see the race with Muslims as one of
demographics.

No personal lecture vanna only a response to the predictable tirade of anti-women judgements-it is counterproductive to finding solutions to these 'gender' based issues. I have yet to see in any of your posts acknowledgement that men are human ie. capable of making mistakes. Men are not Gods they are fallible just like women.

Maybe if your passion for men's rights were tempered with some fairness your comments would be taken more seriously.

Pelican,
You are still giving lectures.

Find the correlation betweeb the Catholic church and HIV.

EG.
South Africa has the highest rates of HIV in the world, and only 5% Catholic.

After you fail to find any correlation between the Catholic Church and HIV, you can ask yourself why do academics so often single out the Catholic Church and attempt to hold it responsible for HIV.

I know the answer.

No - I don't regret to have left this church.

Even after the pope has shown a tiny glimpse of sanity the catholic church leadership is completely anachronistic: Well - the oldest surviving dictatorship in history.

How on earth should I follow the advice of the pope in regards of prevention of diseases and pregnancy by not using condoms? That is worse than ordering muslim females to wear a burka!

Especially in 3rd world countries like Latin America catholics still think that they have to follow the popes recommendations instead of laughing about it and do what is reasonable. Instead they try Knaus Ogino pregnancy prevention - which is risky - or anal sex.

If living to their commitment the catholic leadership cannot have any experience when it comes to sexuality. In this regard they should shut up and leave it to the human being to use the best protection for health and for sustainable family planning without feeling guilty of not following the popes guidelines.

The catholic church should not punish it's community to enjoy sex also for pleasure and not exclusively for reproduction, only because they punish themselves with celibacy. There would be less misuse scandals if the catholic leadership would get rid of this stupid rule, allowing it's leadership members and priests to marry, to have families and to be able to give advice by experience instead of preaching unrealistic theories.

Chris