"..the Greens were also challenging the major parties on important social welfare issues scoring about 20-22 per cent as the best party for health, education and living costs (including utility bills)."

That's odd, I thought it was all the policies to appease the eco types and green voters that we've had utility bills increased, and the Greens would like to see them go ballistic.

Or did you mean, they were concerned utility bills, were too low?

Certainly Senator Milne would like to remove your utility bills completely, along with any utilities of course ..

AGIR what's the reference to graham and cyberia .. sounds interesting "If you want a living demonstration of that very thing....just have a peek at the links graham gave about "Cyberia"".

AGIR - thank's for that link to the picture of the Fabians, illuminating.

See the greens know that capitalism will destroy any fair-go Australia, with their deep religious greed which they pride themselves on riding on the backs of the workers. Quite weak really when you think about it. Yes that's right people..they sit up their with their bullwhips and feed like leaches while you get little too nothing for all your hard work.

They will grow people in hidden fields like in the matrix, just to breed there own kind of mafia, with only the big don's getting to live the good life. Their plan is, is to breed high populations so we fight among our-selves for the scraps they call fairness and equal-opportunity............so don't be fooled by the right.

Their only right..........for themselves.

BLUE

Keith,

Thanks for your last post.

Yes, I am inclined to degree with you with your question, although I can't judge which Labor PM was most effective, as I do not know much about those before Hawke.

Yes, i would agree that Labor has a lot of false prophets in its party. I cringe when i listen to many of them or read their supposed words of wisdom. I realise that many of us have our own contradictions, but Labor's use of rhetoric in recent times is a national embarrassment.

And what do we have now: an expensive national broadband with overrated benefits, and a promise for a carbon tax, although you can bet that it will not be implemented without public support for even high utility bills.

When we had a PM (Rudd) raving on about how bad past policy was and how the world should be, yet his own family benefiting much from the Howard govt's changes, I knew Labor was in trouble.

It will be interesting to see how the State Liberal governments go, and what will be the public reaction to policy change.

As i have got older an learned more about the world, i have become much more understanding of the Liberal party approach, although my last remaining concern is just how fair its social welfare policies would be.

I believe that the coming years, for various reasons, will prove the prowess of major parties, or they will all just succumb to rhetoric and the targeting of the most seats rather than policy honesty and solutions that can balance economic competitiveness and compassion.

There's a rather interesting piece in today's ALR from Michael Costa, giving his view of the reasons behind Labor's current predilection for self-destruction.

Much of it is as one would expect - a justification for the existence of Michael Costa, through the medium of slagging off anyone whom he dislikes - but there is the occasional gem.

In the Green context, this caught my eye:

"Labor will never be able to match the Greens in a rhetorical battle on so-called social justice. The Greens, with their pathological antipathy to capitalism and inherent contempt for the principles of sound public finance, will always claim that more and more are in need, and more should be done."

Which pretty much sums up my own view: a party that is long on feelgood verbiage, but woefully short on implementable policy.

The "fit" with Labor he sums up as:

"More traditional Labor voters are not supporters of Greens' policies. The Greens' policies on a range of issues, from taxation to law and order, would horrify that base. In short, Gillard has made a damaging political blunder that will haunt the party for many years to come."

These paragraphs also encapsulate the reason why the Greens will never become a significant autonomous force.

But all the time they are able to wedge other parties into self-destructive contortions, they will have a reliable base of superficial, anti-policy anoraks to keep them alive.

People of Australia, I'll show you what Capitalism has done and see for yourselves what the rich and greedy are all about.

The workers are the back bone of any nation. So keep voting them and dont blame me for your loss of everything you were told to believe in.

Remember you rich maggots..........the poor and the ripped off will come hunting for.

Its in the USA and its coming here.

People power!

We have it at 95% to their capitalist 5%..........believe it.

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Democracy or the new Socialism or something that gives equal-opportunity for all Australians and not just for the rich...............and your dream of being one of them lol....its was never there.

You were conned like the rest of us.

Dont believe me............then your one of them.

Good luck.

BLUE

deep blue, when do you "become" rich, $100K, 200K, 500K per year .. what is rich .. if you mean $10M+ per year, then there are only a few .. and a lot of sportspeople up there

Is that who is "ripping off the workers", sportspeople .. or is it just a general, someone to hate rant, using "rich" people as a demonized target?

Rants like this about class war, are the stuff of long gone days ..