Rumplestillskin,one can only assume you have personal contact with the invisible one! Now that is what one can only say is AMAZING mate!!

Trashcanman, if you are really interested in ancient Israelite law and its significance to Christianity, you might read 'Hard Sayings of the Bible' which deals with all that in detail. Nice red herring though.

By the way, Crabsy, if you've taken the trouble to read the views of Bishop John Shelby Spong, why wouldn't you take the trouble to read the Bible, unadulterated by outside commentary and form your own views? I'm talking cover to cover and putting aside your prejudices. You might just see things a bit differently

Kipp, what would be the point of calling yourself a Christian if you didn't have contact with God? A Christian is a person who has a relationship with God and His Son, Jesus Christ and this knowing brings a radical paradigm shift in your life when you are born again. I'll pray for you tonight. This is my 4th post in 24 hours so I'm out of here.

Heterosexuality is normal! Homosexuality is *not* normal! Nature tells us this! It is as clear as the stars in the sky on a night when there are no clouds to hinder their view... To condemn heterosexuals for defending the natural order of things is bizarre, but Nature always has her way - in the end.

The 'Gay' Lobby (what a beautiful word you have stolen) has an agenda which is maleficent. Oh how clever your words, but how nefarious your intent!

Just back off a little please! No, regarding Marriage and Family and Children - the ideal is a mother and father, and nothing else can compare with that, yet you deny it. And to encourage homosexuality is not a healthy thing for society, because we would all die out!! Sure you can create babies if you want them - to appease your desires, via artificial scientific donor sperm and surrogacy stuff (great for the child's identity) - but this is against God and Nature's plan.

But remember that one day that child will want to know its true identity - who is it's biological mother/father - good luck with that!! But of course you weren't really thinking of the child, were you? Your "rights" were all that mattered...

@ Crabsy

You said:

//Taking carefully selected scriptural passages literally and then using them as ammunition for expressing your hatred of homosexuals is to neglect the gift of intellect that God gave you.//

Sorry Crabsy, you need some lessons on Hermeneutics.

"Command" = Do or don't do such and such.

"Report" = Reporting an event which might be either good or bad, does not usually include any specific guidance about what do do or not do. (but by reported consequences it might suggest that for example adultery or incest does not bring happiness or God's approval)

"Parable" Not to be taken literally, has one central point..is a literary/oral form of communication such as the Malaysian Pantun, or the Japanese Haiku.

Referring to SPONG? goood grief.. why don't you just come out and say bluntly

-"I do not believe the Bible is the word of God"
-"I do not believe that Jesus rose from the dead"

and then your position would make sense. But if you refer to the Bible as you did....you clearly do not believe in 'sola scriptura' but rather 'sola subjectivism'. (i.e..anybodies guess is a good one)

What is written in the Bible and how it is interpreted
is absolutely irrelevant unless you're a Christian.
Homophobic Christians are trying to force their religious
values on to the rest of us with this hysterical campaign
against gay marriage.
They should realise that we live in a secular society
where religious values carry no special weight.
If a clear majority of Australians have now evolved
to the point where they realise that discrimination against
people because of their sexuality is no longer appropriate,
then the homophobic minority should accede to the majority view.

This is a democracy, isn't it?