THE..KARMIC..payback...*

“Suddenly..I became aware of the fact..that..a change was taking place..in me.

My psychic_body..seemed to be slipping from me,..
and,..strive as I would,.I could not hold it.

“‘Where am I going?‘I cried to the evil guide..who haunted me.

“‘To Hell,’he replied;..‘don’t you think it’s time?’

“‘But you said..that by doing these things..I should keep nourishing this psychic body?’

“‘For a time,..I said;..and so you did...
Anyway,..you are leaving it..now.’

“‘What is this..other body..in which I am clothed?’..I cried despairingly.
“‘Your spiritual body,”.he answered,..‘and..in it
you will really..begin to suffer.’

“as he spoke..I realized..how he gloated..over me.

How I loathed him!

But it was so,..and i was..in Hell.
[read/about it..in..'gone west']

[end of..previous*quote]
“‘Well done!’..said the..‘Grand Master..of the Ceremonies’
as Billy facetiously..called him...

‘Well,now,..you others,..go..and do likewise.’

“The drinking started again,..and after a time..I found in some way I could get a sort of..satisfaction..by twining round..a man...

It was not..exactly drinking,..being more akin..to the
satisfaction..one used to get..from smelling alcoholic spirits.

But it was grand..
and..yet unsatisfactory,..a sort of Dead-Sea..fruit.

So we hung round that pub..for many a day,..
and I learnt even to*take possession.

[the affects/dangers..[karma]..of which..you have just read]

“I can’t and won’t..describe how..we got possession,..but it’s something similar to..the/way..in which I am now..able to write.

You need not fear...I don’t wish to do these things/now,..
and if I did..there,..is a great guardian*spirit..who stands by you..

anyhow lets ex-plain...re..the base spirit..
[goading many..into these things]

“Now I think I had better explain..who..the drink_guide..is.

He is not an elemental,..nor is he
the figure/form..conjured up..by the thoughts of men.

He is created..by the lust of all..who*desire drink,..i.e...to excess.

If all the world..were to cease to desire..strong drink tomorrow,..he would gradually fade_away...Not at once,..because we..over here..would be able to sustain,..him for a little,..

but as we..should no longer be able to gratify,..even in the shadowy way I have described,..our lust for drink,..in time..he would fade away..for want of mind-sustenance.

So,..too,..with all the lusts we know of.

The old idea..of the seven-deadly sins..
was not so far-out,..but..there are..a jolly sight more*than..seven.

lo..the dupe.like/ation..sorry about that
thats from cutting..bits..off..to make the limit

lets finnish this off..[im over it too]

..“The demons..created by the imagination of men fade..as the men who have created them,..by thinking of them..move,on,..but,..unfortunately,..they are always being re-created by
other men....

these..feed off negative thoughts

Some parsons..do quite a lot..towards peopling Hell..with devils.

While there..they torment,..as we have been taught to believe they would.

intrestingly..Those who have..not*been taught about them..*don’t see*them.’

“The elementals are quite different...They exist of themselves..as much as we do;..How
they originally came into existence..I do not know,..but you must not suppose they are all
bad..just because I speak of them..as such here.

There are..blithe,light-hearted spirits who,..haunt dells and woodland glades— the fairies of our childhood...Innocent children do still occasionally see them,..but,as they are laughed at for their pains,..they cease to believe in them,..and so lose the power...but not their being...[in the forms...created by thoughts]

“There are many types of elementals,..spirits who inhabit the winds,..and so forth...I shall..for the present deal mainly with the evil ones...But even among them,..as among men, there-are..degrees of wickedness...I believe,too, they..are capable of progress,..but exactly how I..cannot say for certain.

“Spirits over..here fall into the following groups: —
“(1)..Spirits of dead men..or animals..those who had..reality..in life].
“(2)..Spirits..who have never been incarnated.;[formed..by thought].
“(3)..Spirits who come..from other planes,etc.

“Of these the discarnate spirits..may be divided as follows: —: .
“(1)..Elementals —good,.bad,..or both good and bad,.
“(2)..Vices personified,..[as like the drink demon..and other vices]
“(3)..Evil spirits created..and sustained..by the thoughts of men,
e.g...the fear/devils..of our childhood-days.

“Now the elementals are the most numerous,..especially on the astral plane,..and most
of those that are there..are bad.

The other non-carnate beings..are met with in the higher-spheres,..and the mixed ones often take an active interest in world affairs.

Some are the/guardian spirits who watch over great nations,..others over societies,and so forth.

“This explains the fact that England..as a nation has a distinct personality,..

quite distinct..from that of any..or all..the separate individuals who form it.

One under god:

I hear what you are saying but on what evidence or on whose authority do you base your theories of a “Nether World” of evil spirits?

none that would satisfy sceptics dan

but suggested reading..comes from a phycologist..
who wrote..30 years amoung the dead
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

then there are the writings of swedenberg[swedenburg]
and other writings..such is found at sites like this
http://new-birth.net/books_life_after_death.htm

and yes..i know...its debatable..[mainly for fear of people using it as a defense..in serious crime]...so it will remain debatable..

but let me add that we created..a thought...first..
that attracted..the haunting/..possesion

i recognise..even the terminology we nessesarilly use..sounds suss
but those claiming..jesus..must believe nessesarilly in demons..and such...those claiming mahamoud...believe in jinns..as well as other texts/religeons

i know how insane..the matter sounds..for those who cannot concieve these things..but so to is the difficulty of conception...we hold for those loving their vile..[who get off..on hurting others]

anyhow...the simple cure..is fear no evil..[these beings feed off various fears and lusts]...especially those done in excess..or hurtfull or dangerouse..[ie likely to hurt..those haunted by demonic..type thoughts..into deeds]

im not saying all crime..is such...[we after all..need to provide the needed thought/will..that invites*..further vile]..

ie..we need to have..the vile thought..that lets them in...FIRST

dont give it..[evil]..any thought..
and..they simply speaking..cant..'get-in'

regardless of the why...how etc..the suggested cure[murder]....is the absolutly worse..thing we can do..to those..really bad...

[in fact..'it'..[the..lol..cure]..
comes..from*..hell]

as the quotes reveal..they soon realise ways..and..means..to do further mayhem...[here]...admittedly..only via their own..likeminded...wanna be sinners..thinking..it first

but never-the-less..killing them..dont fix ..the problem

we..must find ways/..means..to turn..their vile..into good
not just put-them/down...because..dead aint dead

and locking them away...[with others]..who also love vile..is only sharing their knowings...feeding...*their vile thoughts..[attractant*}

they need to be sepperated...into places
where they dont get the oppertuinity/will/means..to hurt others...+..learn..not*to..think-it..in the..first place..

but..in the end...we can only do that..we see others do...
if..they dont know..true selfless love
cant see..its fruits

why they should not..give-in_to..evil-desires...
how thus..can they..know..[find..the will...to_do_better]

many criminals are sleep deprived...or otherwise...conciously comprimised..[by drugs/booze or other additive obsessions]

i think most parents...have had expiences with a cranky child...
[because of lack of sleep]..clearly...it is an important issue

follow..in the footsteps..of Tibetan monks..who master lucid dreaming
as a spiritual illumination stepping stone..on the path to enlightenment.
http://www.dreams.ca/dreams.htm

Dreams are..a very important part of spiritual development...
Eckankar values dreams as irreplaceable tools..for self discovery...

It is believed that..by recording and understanding dreams..the dreamer gains awareness..and increases..in consciousness.

In the dream state..it is possible to work out karma,..gain insight/into daily problems,..see a glimpse of the future,..connect to spiritual beings..(including deceased loved ones),..travel to inner planes..such as the Astral,..Causal..Mental,..and Etheric,..and to connect to our own souls.

Dreams are considered..real experiences..and are highly valued.

The Indian mathematician..Srinivas Ramanujan..claimed that every one..of his remarkable discoveries..came to him in dreams,..as gifts from the Hindu goddess Namagiri.

Seventy-two..of 83 Nobel laureates surveyed,..Barrett reports,..credited intuition in their success...Their hunches,..connections..made below the threshold for awareness,..she suggests,..may manifest themselves..as visual imagery in their dreams.
http://www.intuitive-connections.net/2002/book-committee.htm

Sports pages..often tell of athletes..who credit winning tactics..to their dreams

http://www.asdreams.org/journal/articles/barrett3-2.htm

In summary,..there remain many questions about the mechanism..of problem solving in dreams and..about the quality of these solutions..compared with waking ones.

It is clear,..however,..that dream-interested persons..incubating problems
can often dream..what they feel to be solutions..of which they are not consciously aware and that..such dreams can provide them considerable personal..satisfaction
http://health.howstuffworks.com/mental-health/sleep/dreams/dream3.htm

The latest ideas on REM sleep..are associated with learning*.

Researchers are trying to determine..the effects that REM sleep..and the lack of REM sleep have..on learning certain types of skills-..usually physical skills rather than rote memory.

This connection seems strong..in some respects..due to the fact
that infants..and toddlers experience..much more REM sleep than adults.
http://health.howstuffworks.com/mental-health/sleep/dreams/dream2.htm

A dream is a succession of images,..sounds..or emotions
that the mind experiences during sleep..

The content..and purpose of dreams are not fully understood,..though they have been a topic of speculation..and interest throughout recorded history...The scientific study of dreams is known as oneirology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream

Sigmund Freud believed that dreams..are subject to psychoanalysis..just like all other parts of the human psyche...Some basic components..of the Freudian dream theory..include the following:

1...Dreams are NOT..meaningless..or random events.

2...All dreams have causes,..which generally come from..emotionally charged life events.

3...The themes..and issues that are experienced..in dreams are so emotionally charged..and threatening to the ego..that the individual cannot deal with them..directly.

4...The dream is a façade which..can cause or resolve..anxiety or guilt..provoking thoughts..and feelings.

5...In order to understand the dream,..the individual must attempt..to look past the façade and..discover the real issue..in the dream.

6..Dream analysis..is difficult because of resistance..on the part of..the dreamer.

i would continue..this conversation...but have allready offered enough

there are clues..to the thinking person

its clear...there is more than this physical...'waking life'
mankind hasnt even yet comprehended the full importance of dreaming

but the consolation is..in our next life..our full memory of every dream..is recalled...[for good or ill]...my current dreams..seem tobe mainly learning other languages...and unraveling complex wads of imfo

im sure if you recalled your dreaming..you would see you too are doing much...

when the world thinks..your only dreaming

anyhow..its time for a nap
got work to be doing

the punishment..is the crime
you cant beat..the instant karma...of your dreaming