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How punishments can be a crime : Comments

By Brian Holden, published 4/11/2010

The most moral punishment is the one that most fully recognises the perpetrators humanity.

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The barmaid..gave him some more;..but I could see/that it was not*..the drunk man but..my spirit companion..who was,..as it were,..shining*..out*of..his eyes.

He drank..and drank..and got more..and more violent,
till at length..the chucker-out{bouncer}..seized him by the shoulder.

He..at/once..seized a quart/pot..and felled the man.
The blow was terrific..and split the fellow’s skull.

“Then there was pandemonium.
Many of the drinkers..rushed out shouting..‘Murder.’

With them..in some cases went the spirits..who had twined themselves round them,..but others seemed to cast them off.

“I noticed..for the first time..
that these spirits..were divisible into two groups

—those..who were obviously men..and those who were not.

The latter had various forms,..all more..or less bestial.
I cannot describe them...They were foul,..misshapen things,

not human or..animal,..sometimes composite,..with animal heads and human bodies,..some heads only..some foul monstrosities/with no shape or form,..things one might see in D.T's,..but nowhere-else...

“Meanwhile..the drunkard..who had felled the chucker-out..stood waving his beer pot.

Then I heard a fierce,..wild yell of laughter,
and saw our guide[the elemental]..laughing..and cheering.

[this..type of energy...energizes...'him'..
he feeds off it..only sustaine..'life'..by it
were it to end...so would he]

“We all began to cheer too
why,..I don’t know.

Then the companion..who had taken possession..of the drunkard,
began to disentangle..himself..*from him..as it were.

next..He was out,..and lo!..the man collapsed in a heap.
[next day having no recall..at all..because it was BY..his dream-state...[left-brain..UN-concious..that the spirit..that did it..used]

“‘He’s dead,..I suppose’..I said to a friend.

“‘Oh no,..only drunk,..but he’ll swing for it,I expect,
so we shall..soon..have another to..join our merry throng*.”

“‘But..it was not really..he that did it.’
“‘Of course not;..but who’s going to tell the jury that?

They’ll learn..he’s had a grudge..against..the chucker-out
and has several times sworn..“to do him in.”

[it was this..mindset..[thought..that enabled.."the posession']

Are you going to/witness to the truth?’
He laughed,..and so did..the others.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 5 November 2010 9:23:07 AM
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"Did the punishments metered out by God in some sections of the bible, for example the Great Flood where presumably little children and babies in the womb were deliberately executed by the method of drowning, for the sins of the adults in society, lower God to the level of the Physcopath."
-CHERFUL

Yes, yes they did.
Posted by Riz, Friday, 5 November 2010 11:48:48 AM
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What is the role of imprisonment:

1. To remove the threat from society
2. To mete out punishment for the crime committed (forces the criminal to take responsibility)
3. The hope for some rehabilitation

There are still too many cases where people have been wrongfully imprisoned for crimes they did not commit - some of it due to dodgy police work and legal omissions such as in the WA case against Andrew Mallard. The rate of wrongful imprisonment in the US for death sentence crimes continues to be high.

In the interests of being humane perhaps the 'lifer' could be given the choice between life without parole and death by lethal injection when he/she chooses.
Posted by pelican, Friday, 5 November 2010 12:25:41 PM
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the punishment...for this was hell

I found that he had begun-to dabble in the occult.

He did not know much about it,and his motives were by no means
exalted,being in the main curiosity.
“I haunted him day by day..and watched his every movement.Whenever an
opportunity occurred,I did him an evil turn. ..If he played cards,I told his opponent what/cards he held,and so he lost money.

I put in men’s minds..a vague sense of suspicion and distrust concerning his most innocent acts.

But this sort of thing was not the ultimate aim of my attentions.

“At last my chance came,as I knew it would.He had been endeavoring..‘to get outside his body’..as he described it.

He had no noble aim,and his guide’s power had grown weak..from various causes,..and so when he at length did go out of his body-for about the third time

I came in...‘Ha! Ha!’”
I chuckled,as once more..I found a body clothing me:‘This is like old times.’But it wasn’t.

I found that it was only by the exertion
of my will power that I was able to retain
control of this borrowed carcass.

Anyone with a weaker personality than mine would
soon have been compelled to go out again,
but I was a far more powerful character than
he,and I held it for as long as was necessary.

Then I set to work..to pay off old scores,and
commenced by wrecking..his home.

I seemed to everyone..to be the man himself who all
the time was hanging on,..still attached by the vital cord to the body,..which he..nevertheless..could not re-enter.

I treated his wife so badly that she soon left*him..in disgust, taking their child with her,and instituted divorce proceedings.

I gave rein to all the lusts,such as drink,which could damage his*body,..and dragged his*good name in the gutter by various shady practices...

Yet I took care...
Posted by one under god, Friday, 5 November 2010 6:12:02 PM
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..to keep clear of the law.

“But I had to work quickly..and soon completed my task thus:
I went to a jeweler’s-shop,..stole a quantity of jewels,..murdered the man who owned them,..and managed to get caught..in*my enemy’s body.

I still held on to..that body..until it had been formally
committed on the charge of murder,
and then..in the cell..I left it.

As I did so,..I jeered at the..waiting spirit..who hastened to clothe itself in it..again.

“When the case..came up for trial,
I was there,..though invisible.

The man maintained..that he knew nothing,..of all the facts stated against him,..as of course he didn’t...Though he knew it as a spirit,..he had not..been able to register it..on his physical brain.

His barrister..tried the plea of temporary insanity,..but,
as the judge said..in summing up,..‘Some people/argue that all sin..is insanity,..but we cannot accept..that.

There is far..too much method in..this madness.

The facts borne out..by all the witnesses show that this was only the
culminating..and logical conclusion of those other detestable acts to which..even his wife..in her separation suit has borne witness.’

Then came the usual penalty— death.

“Now my joy was almost complete;..
but gradually various things intervened..to mar it.

He still vowed his innocence..and this
though..it made no difference..to his ultimate fate..

Further,his wife,..who,in spite of his genuine faults,loved him still,..and of course knew him well,.believed him,..when he declared that he had no recollection..of all his various misdeeds;..she accepted the view..that he had been temporarily insane.

“This had the effect of softening his rebellious spirit,..which at first..seemed likely to..drag him*down...at the moment of death..and make*him..join us.

The prison chaplain also believed him..and consoled him,
despite all I could do..to prevent it.

In short,when we..gathered at the execution,
expecting an angry and revengeful spirit..
who would be thus*compelled to join us,..

and thus over whom I,..having a stronger personality,..could dominate,..

alas..we found..quite a band of spirits of light,..who surrounded him with a guard..and kept us at bay..and took him away..

whither..we knew not.

These events..took place in the United-States.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 6 November 2010 6:45:40 AM
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THEN..KARMIC..payback

“Suddenly I became aware of the fact..
that a change was taking place in me.

My psychic body seemed to be slipping from me,..
and,strive as I would,.I could not hold it.

“‘Where am I going? ‘I cried to the evil guide who haunted me.

“‘To Hell,’he replied;..‘don’t you think it’s time?’
“‘But you said..that by doing these things..I should keep nourishing this psychic body?’
“‘For a time,..I said; and so you did...Anyway, you are leaving it now.’

“‘What is this other body..in which I am clothed?’..I cried despairingly.
“‘Your spiritual body,”.he answered,..‘and in it you will really begin to suffer.’

“And as he spoke..I realized..how he gloated over me.
How I loathed him!

But it was so,..and i was in Hell.
[read all about it..in..'gone west']

[end of previous quote]
“‘Well done!’..said the‘Grand Master of the Ceremonies’
as Billy facetiously called him...‘Well,now,..you others,..go and do likewise.’

“The drinking started again,..and after a time..I found in some way I could get a sort of
satisfaction by twining round a man...

It was not exactly drinking,..being more akin to the
satisfaction..one used to get..from smelling alcoholic spirits.

But it was grand..and yet unsatisfactory,..a sort of Dead-Sea..fruit.

So we hung round that pub..for many a day,..and I learnt even to*take possession.,..'

[the affects/dangers..[karma]..
of which you have just read]

“I can’t and won’t..describe how..we got possession,..but it’s something similar to the/way..in which I am now able to write.

You need not fear...I don’t wish to do these things now,..and if I did there,..is a great guardian*spirit..who stands*by you..

anyhow lets ex-plain...re..the base spirit..
[goading..*many..
into these things]

who gain access..by us,'thinking'..those thoughts..they love
[thus i say...
first...'think no evil']
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 6 November 2010 9:27:44 AM
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