Dan

I accept that some anti-abortion posters have engaged with this issue, but the author and Michael B did not, and Rudy appears to me to simply repeat ever more stridently his assertion that a foetus is a fully human person from conception.

Rudy’s distaste for name calling didn’t deter him from engaging in it pretty vigorously himself. He used the term “stupid” before Yabby, and gave us the abusive but incoherent argument “Unless you're a fascist style ideologue who thinks certain fully formed, perfect human beings have a greater human worth and a greater right to exist than other less formed, imperfect human beings, then there's no reason to argue that a developing fetus has less human worth than a developed fetus.” Not what I call “pretty good discussion”

There are a few pots calling kettles black here.

*And, no, it is not just a clump of cells or part of the women's body it is an entirely separate person with its own consciousness.*

Not so Michael B. A cell is not a person, no matter how you and Rudy try
to distort the language. Show me a dictionary which claims that
it is.

No human brain = no person. The distinctive part of the human
brain, compared to other species, is a larger neocortex. That
is in place and able to function at around week 24.

Yes its a human organism, no its not a person.

http://www.google.com.au/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D1DSAf1BITAQ&rct=j&sa=X&ei=CzO9TMPZBIa3cNaUwfsN&ved=0CCYQuAIwAw&q=+Overpopluation+and+abortion+youtube&usg=AFQjCNFCx0WEhljKslbrKYmypWMbNrL2Mw&cad=rja

See This is one of the very good reasons for abortion, and yes! Religion strikes again.

http://www.google.com.au/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DqUGkiDoz7-E&rct=j&sa=X&ei=CzO9TMPZBIa3cNaUwfsN&ved=0CCMQuAIwAg&q=+Overpopluation+and+abortion+youtube&usg=AFQjCNGimOvJ_3hLbZkW_WrCogsjPwbCCw&cad=rja

Listen you silly people! Your world will jam up! The child you love, will have nothing! 21 century religion logic, does not work in this day and age.

And I love this bloke. These words are smart. Listen.

http://www.google.com.au/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-77W-1umZd0&rct=j&sa=X&ei=rzW9TO2UGcKdcbfa8NkN&ved=0CEcQuAIwAw&q=Overpopulation+and+abortion+youtube&usg=AFQjCNHKvyac47SE9-7idq_F65Nf7ys5iQ&cad=rja

You religious people are the worst thing this planet will ever see, and guess what! Your history is full of the most worst atrocities humanity has ever seen and their making a other one.

Follow you? lol.... Dont make us laugh.

Let Richy tell how is really is, shall we.

http://www.google.com.au/url?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DeYph7aZf4Nw&rct=j&sa=X&ei=Lzm9TK6uB8G3cMjnqcEN&ved=0CEsQuAIwBDgK&q=science+++and+abortion+youtube&usg=AFQjCNGgY4UhYXpeVqnE3Dy67oSf-easnQ&cad=rja

Please! Its the woman's choice. and you religion! keep your ridiculous nonsecular no brained deluded non-thinking, away for the real world.

In this next 100 hundred years that's coming, don't say you were not warned.

TTM

People! let me tell you whats their little trap, shall I!

Religion makes misery so they can fix it!

Dont believe me? what better way of keeping your self in a job.

Its the perfect trap/con!

And you cant see it?

Good luck.

Coz your going to need it.

Facts are Facts! and nothing else will do.

All the best.

TTM

Shadow Minister, you don't seem to realise my debate is about the terminology TABOO. I support abortion. A woman has the right to abort for any reason she chooses. An abortion is the killing of a fetus. A separate, individual life is formed at CONCEPTION; and your analogy of a finger and a fetus or zygote is utterly ridiculous; a 'finger' doesn't grow into a fully formed person DUH!. A zygote DOES, DUH!

It's a scientific and medical fact that an individual human life begins at conception. If anyone disagrees with that, then what they have is a "belief" system. Just like the religious nutters "believe" their god is against abortion.

Let's get rid of the stupid terminology of "abortion". Call it what it really is , a "fetus killing". People, STOP trying to pretend that a fetus is not human. Step into the 21st century. Abortion is a woman's right. By NOT calling it what it really is, we're setting back the abortion cause hundreds of years, right back to the Dark Age.

Rudy. Do me a favour! Can you tell the world that Iam not very educated.

I thank people like you.

And thank you once again.

TTM.

SMILE.

Let the programing continue.

All the best.