I'm no scientist but don't the numbers you've set out suggest that IPCC forecasts are fairly close to reality, albeit a little pessimistic? I am as skeptical as the next person about the climate change "industry" but if human-caused carbon and methane emissions do pose a threat to our continued pursuit of happy, healthy lives shouldn't we be actively engaged in doing something constructive about it?

Dead right, but with the oposition as a non believer it makes things harder to implement.

Mark Lawson here.
bitey and and 579
I don't get to the science or the policy issues at all in the article. The point is we have been assured that emissions have been runing at the top of the forecast range. In fact they haven't. If we were solely worried about methane then we don't have a problem. The CO2 forecasts may be construed as on track but they have been wildly oversold. No doubling by the turn of the century. So any temperature forecasts by the IPCC should be reduced accordingly - assuming we can agree that the IPCC models are correct - perhaps halved. The real kicker is that everyone is acting as if emissions are at the top of the range. There is no indication that the forecasts have been modified to take account of reality or that the climate modellers are aware of the problems. I strongly suspect they are using the old projections, which is ridiculous, particular for methane.

My sentiments exactly Curmudgeon !

Please, please don't keep introducing facts into the discussion.

Apart from anything else, they fade the curtains.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11072#185430

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11072#185434

bitey & 579, Why are you guys so desperate to steal from the poor, in order to give to, not even the rich, but the filthy, stinking, mega rich, international banksters who brought us the "Great Depression", 1987 stock market crash & 2008 GFC, so they can start the next speculative, green, gambling bubble?

Having had the opportunity to buy up shares in all manner of things at post crash prices.

While you are at it. Why are you also, so desperate to export even more jobs to Communist China? Sell QR National to foreigners? Why do you hate all our children so much? What have they done to you? Don't they deserve a good career?

Next you will be telling me that all our big screen TVs were not made in China, at all, but in huge factories all over rural & regional OZ belching pollution everywhere.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11072#185443

Curmudgeon, Did you know, BTW that according to the ILO, OH&S "Survey" the most dangerous job in the world, is in fact "Spin Doctor". They all get giddy from spinning around, fall down & hit their heads. Which leaves them with a chronic, incurable, mental illness called "Reverse Psychology Psychosis". In which they are driven to embarrass themselves publicly, by compulsively telling obvious lies, while standing next to contrary facts & evidence.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11072#185449

Garum Masala, Ditto.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11072#185450

Pericles, Clever.

To ALL of you gentlemen. The liberal, labour, national & green parties have all failed us miserably.

How about we start a citizens lobby group or protest organisation? No loony lefties OR raving right.

Cracker Night, Friday 05/11/2010. We could gather in the Performing Arts complex forecourt to fire skyrockets across the river at Goanna B Liar or parliament house.