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Gillard's conflict on euthanasia more than justified : Comments

By Jim Wallace, published 1/10/2010

No matter how you intellectualise euthanasia it will never be right.

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One under god, we inhabit different worlds though I understand yours very well because once I was a believer.

Eventually I escaped from the world of superstition and theo-babble and since that time, I have lived happily in the real world knowing that there is no god or life after death.

I visited your blog and commend you on its sincerity. Though we are worlds apart we do share a common purpose: that of making the world a better place.

It's just that we use different methods and I would not seek to convince you that your beliefs do not accord with scientific knowledge or any meaningful evidence.

Cheers.

P.S. A few photographs might add some colour to your blog. Just a suggestion.
Posted by David G, Saturday, 2 October 2010 11:53:18 AM
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its not my blog/david

im guessing you only visited the first link

i was once like you
just as much..as you claim to have been like me

once we were/much the same
but now our roles have inverted

what have you to fear from god
i can comprehend turning against religion..
and those claiming ...to be 'saved'..
yet via their works proove far away from good[god]

its funny and sad...you chose to bind your self
to those preaching the very./.deceptions you rejected

anyhow your young/yet
keep the love in your heart
at leadt look at the pictures in the 2...3 rd links

the last link
well let that be a surprise...for you
[i will be the one saying i told you so]

anyhow in-case i dont get to say so then

realise what you really are
is a spirit...having a life/experience

Let me give/you..the outline of a parable
over which you may reflect..until someone-else is-sent to afford you clearer..information.

Children are coaxed..to sleep/on earth..by the singing/of nursery rhymes,..the fabulous-heroes..of which become historical-characters in..the minds..of..the little listeners,

until the realities/of life..dispel..the illusion.

So children/of-a..larger/growth,[aage]. upon entering this/life,
find that..even/so...they/too..have they been lulled..
into spiritual slumber/by the fictions..of the nurses[priests]..of their souls.[and..science-athiests]

It is/the..awakening to the/truth..of this fact/which
makes..this..a land of/surprises,,..as you will find-it..to be/as..you proceed.

In the..doctrine/that..the soul has to/make..its eternal and final choice on earth,..rather than/that..being the elementary-stage of its unending/development.

The legitimate duty..of earth/is to ground..the soul..in the practical-principles..of love,..

in order to fit-it..for its entrance/
upon the higher duties..of this estate.

Abstract..speculations/in..theology
are/not the studies..man is called upon to undertake,..
especially when his teachers..work upon indefinite/theories,..and have no absolute knowledge.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 2 October 2010 12:52:04 PM
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Shadow Minister, "As society has evolved, the world has moved from a world dominated by 'thy shalt not' to one where individual human rights are recognised, people have been allowed to choose for themselves."

The pendulum swings strongly towards much less privacy and freedom than in (say) the Seventies. For example, there is now a horde of public servants who can enter my property at will and some can even tell me what to do with it. What about the freedoms we have all lost - necessary they say to combat terrorism. Then there is the Nanny State, egged on by political correctness and hysteria (which seems endemic in Australia society and growing).

I'd say we have lost freedoms and privacy rather than gaining any, although for a short space of time it seemed the other way. That is not to say that John Howard's affirmation of our secular State wasn't welcome.
Posted by Cornflower, Saturday, 2 October 2010 1:48:42 PM
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I will resist putting forward another 'more democracy/CIR' lecture;

But the nanny state (with Euthanasia at the very top and every other absurd personal limitation to placate the wowsers) must be put in the dustbin of history, and the sooner, the better.
Posted by King Hazza, Saturday, 2 October 2010 2:40:30 PM
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What sort of families do you people live in that you would be pushing grandma into signing off her euthanasia permission slip?

Are there really families like that? If so, I admit to being a bit naive...
Posted by TrashcanMan, Saturday, 2 October 2010 4:26:11 PM
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Trashcan, having worked in Aged Care for many years, I can assure you there are many more 'Grandmas and Grandpas" out there wanting euthanasia for themselves than there are family members trying to knock them off.

It doesn't matter how wonderful the aged care facilities or their staff are, or how effective the palliative care facilities are, many elderly people would rather not be here once they get to a dependent or painful existence.

If I had a dollar for the number of times over the years that I have been asked by aged or dying patients to 'please end all this for me Sister', I would be very rich indeed.

On the other hand I still remain a little worried over how any legal euthanasia requests will physically be carried out, and when.
On previous euthanasia threads no one ever answered this.

Obviously Doctors will have to prescribe and give the final medications to the patients. At present the AMA (Australian Medical Association) does not support this act by their members.

Many Doctors aren't comfortable with the notion of euthanasia on request. If your own GP is one of these then you would have to go out 'shopping' for a GP who would. This may be difficult to find, especially if you are terminally ill.

While some medical staff already 'assist' those in their last difficult days of life to 'pass on' a little faster, if they are having terrible pain, nausea or vomiting that can't be controlled, this is a far easier act of compassion to attend to than euthanasing someone who is terminally ill, but not in any distress and just lying there looking at you calmly?
Posted by suzeonline, Saturday, 2 October 2010 7:10:07 PM
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