so/lets..get-back/to basics

basiclly..athiest/believe..only..one-life
thus..their/lives..MUST-not..be cut-short..
till..they/have learned..this lifes-teachings

[clearly...let/the-dead..tend..the dead
cannot/apply...to-the_living]

those...KNOWING..
they..will-be..reborn..immediatly/following-transition

give/them..coma

[ie/those..not-decieved..
into..the lie/of..reserection/judgment-day]

quote/from
http://www.jhardaker.plus.com/pdf/The%20Life%20Elysian.pdf

<<All..the loved/ones..you..have lost..{for/the-time}
are present/with..the Master.

They follow/Him..wheresoever..He goeth.

If...!..He/come again..to redeem the/promise,..
‘Lo! I am with thee,’..shall/not..they/too..come..with Him?

Would/they..not gladly come?
if/the plan/were..to return

Do you think..their love,..their interest
and/concern..for your welfare..has perished?

Strong..as/you have believed..death to be,
do you think..it is strong/enough..to crush..their old/affection?

I speak to you..as men and women.

Is the/hope..
I would inspire..too-large/..too/good..to/be true?

Thomas once/thought so..
till the risen/living-Jesus..stood/before..him.

Are you/not..as-precious..in the eyes/of..the Father
who is..no respecter/of persons..as/Thomas was?

Is He not..still-able to..answer the/same..incredulous hope,
the staggering/commonsense..love/grace/mercy,..as{much}as-ever?

If death has/once..for all..been/swallowed-up..in life,
is it/not..time the truth..was known,..and the balm of/its divine gospel..freely poured-out..for the healing/of..the brokenhearted?

Mighty minds..wield mighty/forces:

is not..our Christ..travelling/in-the greatness-of His strength>>

ok/there..was more-to/that
but...see he..all-ready come-back...[after 3 days]..

PROVING..the lie/of..judgment-day!
proving..there is no/waiting..in ya grave..till reserection-day!

res-erection..is near immediate..[for most]..ie..those dead of natural causes..[having served their/life-term..many waking-up in the light/love..underr-grace/by gods-mercy

and a few..predicably..awaking in/the dark
[many because..their spiritual-sight..
hasnt adapted..to the new conditions...

but others..because-of..other attatchments..
eg[to the flesh/ego/or love of vile]..

but..in the main..we each/wake-up..in the light..having passed through..the mist/veil

but importantly..we/all..get born-again

and get reborn/again..each time/we progress/spititually..
[up to 3 rebirths..isnt un-usual]

we/often awake..in..the astral-realm..where/we-go..when-dreaming..the..dream-zone]

[this type of rebirth..often notices..the silver-cord...
[in the mist..and blue island..specificlly/fall into/that..realm]

gone-west...reveals..the lower/level..of..that we clasiclly call heaven[light]...

as well as that..we call clasicly/..hell
[rejection/of-the light/..thus dark..twi-light/etc]

of course..to their/inhabitants..both are..as-like..heaven

both meet the needs..[loves/passion/hate/vile/good]...of their many inhabitants..thus its best..to-be carefull...of that/..you chose to love[here]..as/more-shall..be/given

and if..you love..thieving..you dwell/..with-the thieves

or if you love murder..you reside/..with those loving/to murder

[trouble/being..there are those
who love murder/thieving/deciet...etc
..better/than theee..[so guess/who..they pick-on]

anyhow..needless to saty..you soon/get-to realise..
what it feels-like[how you made others feel..[regardless of wether..you made/them feel-good..[or ill]..loved/hated...

KNOW..the certainty..
MORE..SHALL-be GIVEN

that/alone..could change/this..world

thinkthanmove...its..ok...if you had/not posted

i would/not-have..reacted...

every-thing..is..for/a higher-reason

gods/reason..not ours..
[there are/no accidents..only learnings]

sfa....as you/should..realise...
i hold...BOTH..religeon...AND...science/politicks..law
equally to account...responsable..for-much/error

but.by the same/token..i see they served...
[ok serve]..their purpose

had/i not been punitivly/jailed..for letting a plant-grow...
i should-have..remained..ignorant...of/all..these matters

eg...i had/time..in jail...to research..the law/read the bible/torah/koran...even learn..about buddism..ichin...who have become..foundations..that validate...god/GOOD

not that..their words are/holy..[wholy-true]
god..gives/..ongoing..live-time..revelation

but that/they{holy-texts}..introduce/us
to the concept-of...the higher cause/reasons...

[and yes many/use
their errant-judgments..to do/justify vile/evil}.

but by far..the fruit..of the/teachings
of those truelly..our bettors
has shapped much/that is good..in this material-realm

evil..likes to blame..others
go figure they blame..their miss-comprehentions...on the/most holy

see/that god...lives in real-time
is/that good/loving..[living]..inner
{conscience}..voice of reason

god..is truelly..inside/you
equally.as she-is..in..all_living

of course..basser...lives,...
cant comprehend...the good...she/wispers
but never/the less..

on the rare/occasion..we see/the beast..
acting of love..we know..
even the beast..in the field...hears..his creators..living/
loving..still-quiet..inner-conscience

jesus/said..it better

even a beast..in the stable...knows his masters-voice
[to/wit..god is good...if-its not/good..
its not..of god]

see..it dosnt matter..[to god]..what we do
[our/life-gift..is eternal]

we each/have our loves..
and loves..passions/verge..on insanity

but we/do control..the impulses..we chose to act/upon
thus by our works/deeds..
shall we be accorded/more..[of the same]..as/we-chose..to love/here

importantly...spiritual/books..
must be read..with firmly-in/mind
that these reveal...that of spirit...not the flesh

here..we are/but asked..to try to find..love
sadley/evil..takes that as licence..to love...the vile
that returns...to/them..seven-fold

[and thus..THEY..condem/them selves..
to the realm.../where vile is rewarded..
with worser/vile}

much/more..is truelly...given
{be/carefull..of/that-you..CHOSE-to/love]

realise..energy..cannot/be created..
nor destroyed..a living-sperm...
god/breathed..into adam

ensures...that but..one living..{good}..
gave us/ALL..our life{life/from_life]

we have/..but-one..father...[god]

however/much..others..might say..god is/a judge
he..is a living/loving good...{all/grace-full...ALLmercy-full]

and does/..not judge..
any..of/his many-fold...harvest..{children..you/me/us/them}

*that dosnt/mean..his other..children..
are not able/willing..to give..equal-coin..

equal dis-service..for dis-service...
or love..for love

and/we chose..the coin..
by the coin..we used..[chose]..in this realm

HFR, nothing to add to your post, I simply agree so much I felt the need to repeat it.

"The scariest and most important thing about these frenzied up christian fundamentalists is that if they had been born in Iran or another islamic theocratic country they would be islamic fundamentalist demanding we have sharia law, totally opposed to the other religious cult. And we are expected to have to listen to and have respect their fantasies and superstitions, why?"

To be honest this wouldn't be too far from the truth- as they are forcing people to behave, at a personal level and at nobody else's problem, to adhere to somebody else's dogma, to an alarming degree of petiness.

Sorry, Oug, I haven't been reading your posts - in that blank-verse style, like with a lot of people, my mind just stops working. I guess I'm old-fashioned enough to keep looking for subject & predicate, and something grammatical. Is there any chance that you might write something in standard English ?

Thanks :)

Joe

OUG, Give it a rest from your mythical gibberish, as for your hatred of atheist, just remember the irrefutable fact that there are over 2500 religious cults and gods invented conjured up or imagined by mankind! Your superstitions allow you to believe in just one of these supernatural imaginary gods, making you an atheist to all the other 2499 gods and cults, YOU ARE AN ATHEIST to 2499 gods you heretic, the rest of us are simply atheist to all 2500 of these, all once irrefutable gods and cults. All once, just as irrefutable as your totalitarian megalomaniac and genocidal former flat Earth christian cult, a planet and universe created by an invenred mythical supernatural deity 6000 years ago at 4.00 on the afternoon of October 24th, I remember reading, like everything in religion, it was made up by a charlatan.
As for euthanasia, its being used in several countries and some states in the USA for years, there is no problem, the only problem are religious cult devotees who are told to oppose it, they have no choice, they have no say, theirs is just to do what their told and die! Then everything will be just great, while the maggot's and worms devour your rotting corpses, you wont even realise how you were conned your entire lives by charlatanism?
The high court of Australia ruled that charlatanism is the price we pay for religious belief and if ANY religion was asked to prove their supernatural beliefs, ALL WOULD FAIL!

HFR,

As a foundation member of Atheists Against Euthanasia, I have to point out that it is possible to be both atheist and anti-euthanasia.

At our inaugural meeting recently at the Adelaide Cricket Ground (next year, AAMI Stadium), it was suggested that Christians and other primitive-believers may actually be behind the entire pro-euthanasia movement, given that it's all the same to them, life here or life 'there'.

It was further debated that the only Christians (and other believers) who genuinely opposed euthanasia were either those with some perverted idea that their god sanctioned pain and suffering as some sort of warranty of faith in her/him/them, or conversely, those of TOO LITTLE faith who wanted a bet each way (and thereby were already on the road to atheism: a couple of such observer-organisations at the AAE inaugural meeting were offered honorary atheist status, but declined).

Yes, it's great to be able to go at the time of one's choosing. But I would be happier with legislation which did not allow for some 'miscalculation', which sanctioned the involvement of another person who 'inadvertently' hastened my end. And most certainly, I would oppose any pressure being put on older people (i.e. a year or so older than you, dear reader) to go early rather than later, to 'take pressure off the world's resources', or 'give other people a go', or other excuses that might be concocted to persuade people to top themselves.

In fact, hand-in-hand with any euthanasia legislation, I believe it should be made an offence, similar to incitement to violence, for any person to encourage any other person to kill themselves: after all, it would constitute incitement to death, not just violence, even if that death is peaceful, 'dignified', 'timely', 'one's fair share', 'responsible', etc.

Part of any such legislation (to, say, legalise suicide) should also allow the funding of far more effective anti-suicide counselling services.

We only 'get' one life, HFR, it's up to us what we do with it, how we create meaning in our own lives. We shouldn't give it away lightly. There are no second chances.

Jo