we live-in..an imperfect-world
[after-all..this is the realm/adam..eve...
decended-to..following their/fall from/grace..[fall from eden]

the church/long revealed..the spiritual-truth..
we all have origonal-sin..

[for only by rejecting gods/heavens..
can we incarnate-here..[for a life-term...a sent-ance..into sentanance]

of course/the church..gets much..wrong
[after-all..they/are only..carnate-flesh/..like we-all are]
and..to be huh-man..is to make error

take..the previous..words..i wrote..about jesu
[jesus;..you shall..call/him..emmanu-el]

we/are told..he can take-away..our sins..[and he can]
[cause only..god's../good..is real]

but/..even..jesu[emmanuel]...[meaning god with-[in]-us..]

even/jesu..can-not..remove..our/will*..to-sin

thus its/like..washing/our soul..clean
yet knowing..we shall/surely..stain it again

[its like exzising..a demon..[only to have 7 return]

that isnt jesus/ability..to..remove..our/will-to..sin

[only we/can CHOSE-to/repent..our love/of vile]

only..we/can..chose..
'to go..and sin/no-more'

its not complicated..to say..your sin/is forgiven
for the sin..wasnt/real..[it didnt..come of god..[good]

besides..then there/is..karma..[the law/of balance]
many/good-works..are inspired...by a will-to repent
by/us..activly..trying to correct..our past-errors

recall the..long/lost-son...
[heaven rejoices..when we/CHOOSE..to repent..our-will/..to sin]

in-fact..hell is..there only/to further validate..our freewill
to give us..so much/more..[of that we chose to love-here]

till we/get..sick-of...'it'..[for there..[in/our..chosen-room]
..are better..and worse..than we...

we soon realise..how a victim-feels..over and over/again..till we..get-it]

and realise/what..we done
[we did-do..to good/god]..

that we..do/did..to the most..
we do/did..to him..[the..holy-with/in us all]

[the/host/..with-in..ie..the-most][good/god]

still..i need to..correct/yet further error..
ok..[maybe..just/simple..ommisiion]

but recall..yea..though i/walk..through..the valley..of fear
i shall fear..no/evil...

[this is because...in feeling-fear...
we cant..feel god..[cant feel/good]

and if we..SEEM/to-be..wanting..fear..
chose/fear/anger/hurt/blame..over..love/grace/mercy..

[well..'more/shall-be given']

it is said..we should/be..carefull/..that we wish

we should also...know..
we must be carefull..that-of/which..we think...

as those thinking..the..'same'...
unconciously..join..together..
in their..own-room..

with-same/goats..or..with..same/sheep..
or same..wheat/tares..whatever

all..in the-same[realm/plane...sphere-of..in-fluence;..via/influx...yet/another-rule]..

any-how..there/is..so much/more..to/it

just/by..trying-to love..neighbour
just/by..turning..the other/cheek

just-by..fearing..no/evil..
evil cant-even..come close..
untill we CHOSE to/forfeit..good...
and chose* fear...

same with all/the..other...vile/veil/evil/live
the same dna..[letters]..
but with/so..much-divergent/fruit

fear/no evil..by..seeing..no-evil...

by hearing..no-evil..
by doing..no-evil

one/can only get-god..
by doing/thinking...as he/does

as jesu/said...he who/will lead..will serve-you
just/like..god-serves..even the/most vile...their very living

the nurture/...gods natu-real...natu-re..
is..all loving/..all living/..
all forgiving/..grace-full/mercy-full

cheers....ahhh-men

find..his..joy/with-in
then reveal..it...out-side..upon/all..equally...

dont judge/you might-be judging..angels..unaware
each/bad..is an oppertuinity..for greater-good

Dear OUG

How you explained forgiveness and forgetting [if possible after working on it] is profoundly unique, inspirational and what a reminder! Thank you, love and warmth from my heart and soul.

To my mind, Crabsy's self revelations are basically an enlargement of the hackneyed observation that anyone unfortunate enough to fall out of an aeroplane without a parachute instantly becomes -not only a theist, but an extremely devout and passionate theist.
Obviously, some people can make that leap without actually falling out of a plane.
I confess, I suspect I also am afflicted with this 'god gene'.
Although I have never been able to find any rational reason to believe in a god, and most certainly not a personal god who interferes in his own creation, my automatic, instant and totally unreasoned response to any significant event in my life -good or bad- is, “what am I 'supposed' to learn from this?” As if my life has some divine purpose, that I am currently unaware of.
I think some truths don't matter. It's always a good thing to learn from one's experiences, isn't it?
The argument always inevitably devolves into a choice between the rational (Freud) and the intuitive (Jung). I find the notion of a Universal or Collective Unconscious intuitively appealing, despite there being little evidence of it's existence.
For me, the fundamental profound question is; when that very first protocell discovered the neat trick of self replication, was there now 2 lives on the planet, or 1 Life, in 2 places?
Is our much vaunted individuality more apparent, than real?
If a single blood cell was capable of self awareness, would it realise it was a tiny (and completely expendable) part of a greater whole, or would it think it was just doing it's own thing, for it's own reasons?
Am I that blood cell?
When I say these questions are unanswerable, I don't invoke a deity. I freely admit it's simply because I'm just not smart enough. I believe one day though, Humans will be.

we_are/unique..i would/like-to..take..the credit[but/cant]
i'm...only paraphrasing..from memory..and mind-imagry..putting/what i see/hear/feel..clumsilly..into words]

sems i ask a question...and an avalanch/of answers..come-to mind[takethese for egsample]...

quote/grim..<<..to/find..any..rational-reason..to believe/in-a..god>>
the first/reply..is thats cause/he-never..fell-out/of..and airoplane[with-out..a parra-legal-shute]..so..there is the joker/joke

which..i overcome[switch-off/from..by reading-on<<..certainly/not..a personal/god..who interferes>>.thats because the only...inter-fear-ance..he will/do..is that of the unseen/benevolent/good..helping-hand[so-as/to not..interfere..with our free-chosing/free-will/free-choice]

<<my automatic/instant..totally unreasoned-response..to any significant/event..in my life[good or bad]..is,.“what am I..'supposed'..to learn/from this?”>>

clearly...a healthy/attitude
[it neatly avoids..the poor-me/why-me..victim/blame..response..some use to attract..yet more negativity

<<As-if..my life..has some divine-purpose,>>.thats just the egsact-thing..what...is the truth-is...god..has long sought..equals[his test...to satan/where satan-refused..to bow-down..before adam...is as close..as he had/thus-far..been able to come]

satan..used/his ability..to think..decide..for himself...was able..to stand/equally...toe/to..with..god..and say i refuse to bow-down..before mere-clay[being made from fire]...

while also thinking..[in his heart]...
i bow-before..none less/than-thee...good-lord../god

<<..some/truths..don't matter>>>
egsactly..sorting/the tares/..from the wheat..
the grain/from..the chaff..decerning[good/usefull..from worth-less]..

without/labeling..it good..nor bad
not judging..only/discerning..that currently..use-full..from..that/not...

<<It's/good..to learn/from..one's experiences>>thats..why..we are/here-for...to learn..that we feel..good/usefull..from that not

<<I-find..the notion/of a Universal..or Collective Unconscious>>
confusing,....i prefere..a universal-concious...that we unconciously..suspect..as prime-causation..[just-in-case]

<<despite there/being..little-evidence..of it's existence>>
there-is..overwelming..evidence..once..we get-god
once we sort..the good-ideas..in our mind..from the selfish
as jesu/said..know..they masters-voice..[is good]

allway/let-your..concious..be your guide..[jimminy-cricket]

RE..<<the fundamental/profound-question>>.god..is one

imagine..is joy..when..he saw..his reflection..in a bubble..[drop]..of water..and saw..him-self..for the first-time

simply..that act..of recognition..gave..that drop[bubble]..life

lets say god/even tried..to pick..that-one..other living-up
then..there-was..two..[ok..3]

<<Is our/much..vaunted..individuality more/apparent,..than real?>>
we/are..the highest/evolution..of the material-form..

[as close..to god..as/matter..can get]

to get closer..needs..us to get-into spirit
where there is much/more evolving to be done

yet...at the..same/time..
the devine-goods/spark...gifts us/all..our very life
from with-in..via the mirra-call..of the quantum/physics-affect

<<If..a single-blood cell..was capable/of..self awareness>>
not-to..the extent..true-life..is..
[thats/more..at the/level-of plant..intelligence..[auto-nimouse]

<<it think's..it's..just doing..it's own thing>>
action...reaction..god..alone could/explain..at what..level

<<for it's/own reasons?>>no..for ours

<<Am-I..that/blood--cell?>>..not...that..cell
but..just think-if..that blood-cell could talk

it..would say..i am a part-of...me
the person..who calls..himself..i

i am..because..he-is..i
because..he-is i..
...i am..as-well

we collectivly...total..
the great..good/sum-total..of god

just as my/computer..form's..part of the world-wide-web

we collectivly...are all..god/..is and can-be

<<I believe..one-day/though,..Humans will be>>

i think..we/are..colectivly..
are/much-closer..than we dare..real-ise

we can/only..think...of/things..
we can comprehend
all/else..become's..non-sense-icle

or..ill-logic-al..[logic-logus]

[logus=logic/light/life/love]

God exists!

Who else could have created a Mr. Stephen Crabbe?

What a confused, and confusing, piece this is Mr Crabbe.

>>I am about to tell you why I believe in God<<

Ok, I'm listening.

"...it is simply untenable to claim that a supernatural entity called God exists. I am not a theist."

<<theist n. A person who believes in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in a personal God as creator and ruler of the world>>

Interesting. So the challenge you set for yourself is to find a resolution between the non-existence of God, and your personal belief system.

To do so, you provide an idiosyncratic, and frankly inadmissible, perversion of the English language.

"I believe God does not exist, but insists."

<<insist v. to be emphatic, firm, or resolute on some matter of desire, demand, intention, etc>>

I would have thought that there is the small matter of an admittedly non-existent entity somehow being able to be emphatic, that requires some explanation.

Sadly, nothing.

Just a fairly standard exposition of how you came to be a "practising member of the Anglican Church". No mention of the mental effort required to reconcile the Church's position on the existence of God with your own.

Where surely there must be substantial disagreement?

I suspect you realized this, and added the hasty coda:

"But God insists in the collective unconscious, and from God I (ego) came."

Hmmm. Sounds dangerously heretical, claiming that "I" came from "God". Except that you had already constructed the catch-all get-out, "it is simply untenable to claim that a supernatural entity called God exists"

If "God" doesn't exist, the "I" doesn't either.

It's certainly a pretty story, Mr Crabbe, but a little dishonest.

You have been seduced to Christianity by the poetry, the music, the dreams, and a little bit of self-flattery.

"Through dreams, writing poetry or making music, images would arise from my unconscious to pull me back to inner reality."

Fair enough. That's how many believers reach their conclusions about religion, albeit often tinged with a fear of the unknown.

But "I am not a theist"?

Hardly.