i can agree with..pel-i-can
but the issue..isnt..what time
the various watchers/..say it to be

but that they..syncronise us..with the same beliefs/disbeliefs
into the same/..time..same-place...most-of..the time

god of course..isnt a watch
he is energy..[good-energy/..EL=mc2-love]

and energy..cannot be created/nor destroyed...it flows

wether/he is..a watcher..is debatable
certainly many are watching...but god-is..beyond/time/watching
yet we/can..watch his creation

god lives..in the ever/now

anytime is the right-time..to talk
and recieve reply...from him..

[if its good...all good..comes from him]

its about..knowing our/master's..[time-lord]'s...voice

he is infinite..
thus free of time...living-in..the ever/now

just as when...scribes accorded his workings/..in their living[god]-time..was..in gods living..[live-time]...then

just-as..he lives..in real..[now]-time
now

its much-as/the lord budda..revealed
many/wells..[religions/beliefs]..
all drawing..the same water..good..of god..

knowing good..and bad water/still reveal...
within them..the good..that alone comes..from god

i hope/..im not muddying the waters
many pretenders presume..they are the water
many reject the water...
thinking..by drinking whine..they avoid the life/..sustaining-water

but the timeless..{now}..cannot be captured..but by living in the moment..[now]...cannot be captured...in the temporal..[nor the temple]..nor measureable..via a time-keeper/or other measure

so much/more..could be revealed
i havnt translated half..the visioning..into word

[there was the vision of the watchtowers/
and the watch-men
but that/..moment is past....

to honour god
i can only reveal/that..able to be revealed..
in gods..[real/...now/..live/..living moment..[free-of time]

4/the..present..
im/reading
http://www.jhardaker.plus.com/pdf/Through%20the%20Mists.pdf

to quote;..<<revelation..which began..in/the beginning..of man’s-existence,..and..will/be carried-on..to its/close.

Jesus wrote no/law..which was..handed/to-His..disciples..with a command..to keep,>>but..love/neighbour/..love-god

<<neither did/He..commission..anyone-else..to do so/after..His departure.

His..injunction was/to..preach,..and that only..
as the Spirit should give-them utterance>>...
in gods living-moment/..[now]..via deeds/works/egsample

<<that..{living/loving/doing}..voice-of..the/now..
good..{living}..Spirit
being the/continuance..of revelation..until/time should cease,..leading His followers..into all/mysteries..>>

with love-in their heart/and deeds...
knowing..the good...{voice}..with-in..[ALL/of-us}

to love good/..by loving neighbour

[by not killing/
or adulterating gods..good-word]

anyhow cheers..

Dear Stephen,

I like the personal experience thrust of the article but remain confused by your return to the church. Granted in a tarnished urban environment it may provide a place of quiet beauty for prayer and reflection.

The history of organised religion, to me is too tarnished by the way they become captured by the dark side of the ego and discourage individuals from pursuing their own spiritual enlightenment. I think this is the fate of any institution that not is subject to intense scrutiny by a judicially equipped democratic process.

The fate of organised religions in educated society is testament to their failings.

Short of our own fantasy or interaction with fellow humans, I believe it only in public lands free of the strictures of institutional ownership that we can freely approach the experience of the divine. Is'nt naming the divine a step too far for rationality and also invasion of other peoples freedom to experience?

there are..a few questions..
[raised/in the words..preceeding my last quote]

[it was written..late 1800's..the words use..is confusing]

in-its context..quote<<..there is..no appeal/but-that..of repentance.>>..in the realm..[in-the/mists]

<<You will find/no bribery..and corruption;
<<everything is sternly real;..all men and things
are just/what they appear to..be>>...

previously/to this..
they/are removing..spititual-restraints

<<“The restrictions..>>restaints..<<binding these friends..have been worn..in violence..to their better/judgment>>ie are not/by freewill/choice

<<but lacking/power..to conquer..the forces opposed to/them,..they have become..victims of circumstances,..and have passed their/lives..in an irksome bondage,..being..dominated..by wills and usages...they could/not successfully resist.>>

OK THERE IS THE CONFUSION
i get/the whole..sentance...
but cannot grasp..'usages'..
in the context/being revealed

<<If they/had..given a ready/consent..to custom and dogma,..followed with unquestioning/faith..where others led,..and/been..content to crush..the right to think,..they would-have..developed..the required littleness-of soul,..without/necessity..to apply restraint.>>

<<But..they recognised..the God within,..and//refused to-still..the voice calling/them..to newer,..nobler/higher duties/for the welfare..of..their kind.>>

<<“Their prophetic/utterances..were dangerous..to a craft>>

AGAIN/here...what craft?

<<hence,..the gag/must-be..applied;their eyes..saw visions/of..coming glory..for the weary and oppressed..therefore/their sight..must=be distorted..lest the interests..of/a..class be endangered;>>

why/are this..class privledged

<<the intelligent-vigour..of the/child..proclaimed a/leader..in the man,..and church and dogma..forged letters/to cripple his
power,..and force..the noble stature/of the giant into the contortions of the dwarf.

<<You can/see..it was a battle to the death,..noble lives have been hindered..from work-wasted,..yea/worse;..for whereas they/were ordained..for construction and deliverance,..being forcibly
tampered/with..they have been perverted..by party-bigotry,?

<<and compelled..to struggle for..existence/instead of scattering..the blessings they/were designed..to carry to their fellows.

<<The result is/to-be..seen in the wrecks..which lie before us.

<<Wasted-opportunities,..wasted/intellects,..wasted lives!

<<For all these/things..those who-are..responsible..
..must be brought to..judgment.>>

then follows the quote..[previously quoted]
i just needed...to put/this-out there

any/thoughts?

grateful, I do think that before you resume posting here, you should offer an apology to stevenlmeyer.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10962#183609
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10962#183610
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10962#183652
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10962#183689

It is my view that deliberate falsification - which this clearly was - in the hope of gathering emotional support to your point of view, is poor form.

But to compound this by declining to apologize to someone who is upset by your lie, is unforgivable

how we/have gotten..things so-wrong
[or/..making miracles happen]

quote
http://www.jhardaker.plus.com/pdf/Through%20the%20Mists.pdf

<<Surely you/do-not..believe..
in..the literal/fulfilment..of that promise?”

“There are/mountains physical,..mental..and spiritual,”..he/replied,

“and the..latter-are..quite/as difficul..to remove
as/the former,perhaps even more so..and require..equally..
the power/of God,..but it..can/be done.

Have you not/just..witnessed..
the removal/of mountains of/deformity?”

“I have..indeed.”

“How was/it..accomplished?”..he asked.

“NOT/by..the assembling/together..of the great..congregation and singing..‘We can/..do nothing,..nothing!’..
as our brethren on/earth are taught/to do;

they came[toghether]..to work,..and that every-soul..
did its/utmost..[which]..was attested..by the result.

Before..Siamedes/proffered..the invocation,
which secured..that visible/response,
he had/assured himself..that his...
and their..unaided powers/were put forth..and exhausted!

;..and being..confident/that..of himself..he could do/no-more,

he invoked..the strength..which was beyond/and above;
and God would..have broken troth..if He had/not..honoured such faith.

He had/not to detail..his desires,[nor]..elaborate his/wish,
or discourse..on the benefits..and glory to/accrue;

his cry..was..a prophetic thanksgiving

for the strength..he and..every soul...
*knew ..would/be given..to them

he was..conscious/of..the fact
that his/requirements..were already known.

Everything which/could-be..done..in this hall..was completed
and there was..a pause..in the/service,..an interval
only to be..terminated by Divine action;

and the waiting/faith..of the-multitude/
captured..that action..by storm.

God had/not power..to tarry/when assailed..by/such..an-other serving-force, therefore that/sign..descended..and with-it
the necessary energy..to continue..the/work
they had..so confidently/undertaken.

It might..and should be-so..on earth,
but instead/of healing..they..inflict most-grievous wounds
and then..send/the sufferers..here..for remedy.”

“They have not/the..opportunity..even..if..they had/the power
to do..what I have witnessed/here,”..I ventured/to remark.

“God is too..wise and just,”..he answered,
“to require or expect..any/man..to perform..an/impossibility.

But in those/things..which..are well/within..their capacity
[to]-do..men work/according to that-rule/of faith..
which you have/seen exemplified?

Nay verily!

Rather,..forgetting that/they..[earthers]..are called-to
the high privilege/of..being workers..together/with God,

as/you have-seen..illustrated,..they have-been..educated into
the practice of/doing..nothing but/asking God..to do it/all.

When God works..for man it/is always
in conjunction..with man;

it is/no canon..of Divine-law
that the master..shall do/all the labour
while..the servant/gives..the/orders.

When you ask..God to-lay..the corner-stone,
you may rest assured..that He will wait/..for you
to get..the foundations ready*.

But the...earth idea.../of the matter..
is that/..a man has/nothing to do
but to tell God..what he wants
and then wait...lol..
for it to/be done,>>

dont/say you wernt/told

more info my appearance
re near-death
http://31digital.com.au/greyarea/
from
On the..8th October 2010,
“The Grey Area”..debuts on 31 digital at 8.30PM!

The first episode covers the topic/of..“near death eperiences”, author of the book..‘HOW WOULD LOVE RESPOND’..Kurek Ashley

shares his personal story of visiting the zone/between life and death and helping his friend Mike cross over into the light.

Not all of the panel found Kurek’s story convincing..or would able to condone his actions...Questions about the scientific nature of/out of body experiences..and the religious conetations to them were covered.

Tune in for a great show/and check out
the behind the scenes footage on this site..soon.



“The Grey Area” comes/about..as result of the many phone calls,..e-mails and letters the 31 receives..about the lunch time show “Questions of Faith” which was filmed in New Zealand 5 years ago.

The discussion of social,..moral and spiritual topics from a semi religious perspective..is a unique format..that continues to engage the audience..and provoke thought and opinion and thus feedback.

Having an informed panel, who are given..enough time to represent a diversity of views..on the same subject is the secret to the show’s success.

The objective is to offer..the viewer an insight and education and yet..allow them to conclude..who they agree with or what parts of each perspective they like.

The show has a broad following/due to its inclusive nature, interesting topics..and guests/and the fact..that it is not preaching,..or coming from..any one doctrine.

Broadcasts will be on a Friday night..from 8:30pm to 9.30pm with repeats..at 2am and 8:30am..the following morning....

there will-[be]..im assured
a chatbox...to discuss/issues
[or get your..own back on me]

i will-be promoting olo...on it..no-doudt