Pericles:
<…your assertion that this particular prefix "'in' implies interiority" does a major disservice to the language, when a perfectly serviceable - and comprehensive - translation of the whole word "insistere" already exists.> That’s the point: the translation "to set foot upon, to stand, tread, or press upon" would not have served the purpose.

<How can we possibly divine any meaning from your writing, if you randomly indulge in such a practice without due warning?>
No randomness. My third paragraph stated: “Yet I do not accept that existence is the only way of being. There is also insistence: non-objective being. I believe God does not exist, but insists.” Thus I offered a first step in understanding of my use of “insistence”. Rather than drive away potential readers with the dry semantic or etymological analysis found in this interchange, I tried to help them further through the content of the rest of the article. I said as much at that point: “I hope the rest of this article will explain this.”

<Don't be so defensive. Look again - I was placing your claims "perversion-as-a-compliment" and "heresy-is-valuable" alongside each other, and making the obvious connection.>
No defence: just presenting the clear meaning of your original statement. The first “claim” was in the context of a discussion of my language; it had nothing to do with interpersonal relationships, let alone paedophilia, which you later introduced. The second “claim” was simply about the value of heretics to understanding in religion and perhaps the wider culture; it was not connected with the first except perhaps in that both may imply a certain anti-authoritarian stance.

< I have no opinion on whether what you say about the non-existence of God is heretical.> But you do and said so: “Hmmm. Sounds dangerously heretical…”

<It was your claim that your insights contained "many valuable things" that caught my attention.> I did not say that. I commented on the value of “heretics”, but did not accept the label myself.

Enough! To clog this thread with more of this argument would be unenlightening for all of us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nxMrRXHqpo

I just thought you might want to see truth of what god just might be, Oh well, you know best.

TT

im enjoying..[now enjoining]..the dis-course..on the pre-fix..in and ex

wether/invection ..or inflection,
..its good to/be..in-side..the in-ter-course

how i envey/those..who/were given...so many..clue's..so young

i need to laboriously..in-vest-gate
such-as/like..with the quote..from luke..23;34

recalling..this is post jesus/trial..
which has/many imp-lications
such-as...jesus-silence...
[silence..in/law..signifies concent]

anyhow..i learned..to keep/things..in their context
thus in/the preceeding..verses..28/29...
[where jesus forcasts..the fall]...finishes..with the green-tree parrable..[active-faith]..versis...dead-tree..[ex-faith]

then at 32/33..returns..to the descriptive..[narrow-tive]
followed..by jesus utterance,...'forgive/them...for/they..know-not..what/they-do'...

[just/as..they miss..the whole meaning behind
...jesus...dying..yet/not...dying]

clues...might-be/found..in the following-words...
still..with-in..33

''and/they..parted..his rain-ment'..
which is the..in-verse..of...
adam/eve...'being..sewn-into skins'..

in-dicating..[dis-incarnated/morte/dead..]
versis..adam/eves..being/sewn-into..skin..[ie..made carnate]

the casting of/lots...is a..means/of divination..to acertain/gods-will]

[the thought/was..to leave..the..alotted-decision..to god..[chance]

reveal-ingly..it is/written..in 35..that..
'the people..were..be-holden'
[im not/sure..what/the..prefix..'be'...is bringing..into real-is/ation]

as..the/koran..reveals..

god said/simply..."be...and..life be-gan"
[then..be-gat..etc]...
but/its..not/what..others..be-lieve

anyhow..its good/to..have..the in-tell-i-gent/in-put
its only when/we..internalise...thinking..
it enters..the real-m..of de-lusion..

[ok there is mass-delusion..too...which may/even..have worse..ad-verse/affect]

but back to 35.....'the rulers...[also/with-them]..de-rided/him...saying..he saved/others...let him/save himself'...

[yet jesus clearly revealed...it wasnt/him..but god..doing..'it']
did/he..not utter..eli[my/god..why have thee..forsaken/me]...elsewhere]..[a permissable..errant/moment../confirming..his huh-manity]

[i do naught..of/myself...when..you/see..me..[see..the father/who sent-me..[for in-truth..it..is..all/of/by..his hand]

[parra-phrased]

jesus..knew[thought]..he/wasnt..the messiah...[clearly...a more/amasing-miracle..is..an old/high/priest's..son's-birth..
for-told..on the most/holy-day..and..his childless 87..year-old..wife..giving birth]..but..that..was not/to..be

thus he spake-of...the one/to come...

[per-verted..into...a con-joinder..of jude-ment/judement-day...
and..the error/of..a judging/jesus..2 de-comming]..
a truelly/demonic-hope..
not..a realistic..possability..of real-isation..into real-ity

this realm..is unique..[for here/equally..we can chose..!..to accept...love..or reject/it]..

good and twain/alike..live side/by-side
[this isnt allowed any-where/else..in the/other..10 realms]

where else/can..those rejecting..god..[good]..
yet/not..loving..vile..[darkness]..be...be-ing

as it/is./.heaven..is full/of..sleepers
[those decieved..into believing...a..reserction-day..lie]
thus calmly..sleeping..away/eternity

JESUS..rebutted/that..deception..!

or worse..having sincere..thiestic/belief..in/no after-life...

belief...under the/rules..of freewill..is sacro=sanct
..we/can..only allow/them..their sleep/causel-belief's
however/wrong..their beliefs...may be

see they arnt...bad..enough..to have earned..a place/in hell
yet reject..the fruits/rewards..of their..good/nes
thus chose/...to sleep..away/eternity

sadly..heaven..is full/of..them
thankfully..many..eventually-do..wake-up..and..in/time join-in..their various-rewards

but soo/many..other-wise/good../athiests..
and end-time..believers..

cant realise..their error..of judgment..and thus lie/there..sleeping/eternity-away..needlessly/heedlessly

Agreed, Mr Crabbe.

>>Enough! To clog this thread with more of this argument would be unenlightening for all of us<<

So let's tackle it from a different angle.

Let's concentrate on the chasm between your belief - or lack of it - and that of your Church

While your short bio describes you as a "practising member of the Anglican Church", your words - even allowing for any "new usage" - are completely at odds with this position.

>>God did not make the universe and does not interfere in the universe... I believe in no supernatural entity.<<

The Anglican church has at its foundation the Apostles' Creed ("I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth"), the Nicene Creed ("We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.") and the Athanasian Creed ("we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity")

If you have a moment to spare, could you clarify how you reconcile these two positions: your lack of belief, and your Church's insistence upon it?

It's not a test, by the way. It is a genuine question from an atheist to a practising Anglican

Pericles:
<If you have a moment to spare, could you clarify how you reconcile these two positions: your lack of belief, and your Church's insistence upon it?>

The issue of the relationship between my position and the Church's Creed(s) has been on the back-burner of my mind for some time -- for too long, in fact. So your question is both important and timely for me. I intend to respond, but I suspect it will take too many words to do so through this forum. I will make the question the basis for another article. Thanks for a very useful prod!

Grim:
I read your last post with interest. I wonder whether your puzzle of the cells is out of place in investigation of one's identity. Maybe the former should be allocated to scientific enquiry and the latter to metaphysical or psycho-spiritual examination. Peter Sellick recently posted a pretty clear article on the "parallel" relationship between science and religion, which I suggest would be relevant in this case. Rather than cells, maybe we should be thinking about the relationship between ego and the unconscious. Thanks for the post; you've set me thinking on a different track.

Squeers:
<I ...would be interested to know your "point of view beyond the conservative-Marxist or right-left dimension that [Arnold and Williams] represented".>
Sorry for neglecting your post for a while. The POV I developed is rather blurred, I'm afraid. I'd not thought about the topic for a long time until you raised it. I'll try to clarify and verbalise it when I can make the time.

from/its beginning/this thead has/been..both confusing...and informative

i only god/through the first-page..of/the-article
reacting/more..to the title..and concepts..as/they-emerged

now..i realise..the title..to/be-inspired
but incorrect...

god/does..insist..[reside/within]..at the personal-level
but as/we.know...he insists..in all of us/and...
and..all-of/you..arnt..inside/me
thus/he...does/egsist[too]

that/we-do...to the least..[existing]..we do to him
i use..the lable/him...as from man..comes the/living-sperm[life]
and/if science..has validated...anything..its that life comes only from life

crabsby...has achieved..his awarness..via the non-biblical-route
[music/poetry...for egsample...[he ommits peers/influence..]
but we all know..parents..and peers..influence us greatly
wether rebelling/from...or seeking harmony/with..etc

what/the biblical/approach..could have achieved..in a helpfull-way
would have clarified...the believe..that god didnt..make the universe

clearly...that first/super-cell..that created..the big-bang
had/its logical-cause..and the best theory..science can offer
is that two opposing forces..'collided'[and this the bible covers]

we can read...in the so-called holy-texts..about good/and evil..things
and on the last-page..it affectivly states..<<rev 22;11;...he/that-is..unjust..let/him..be unjust/still>>

<,and he..which-is..fithy..let him be filthy/still>>

<<and he that-is...rightious/let-him...be
..rightious/still>>

and he that-is holy...let/him-be

holy/still

revealingly..comes 22/12:..and behold...i come/quickly
[and the end/doth come quickly]
'my reward/is..with-me'
[as your reward..is with/in..you]

[it/is/thus..with-me..thus..within/you]

'to give/every-man..according to'..
{their..[his]..workings/deeds/loves}

'according as his/work..shall-be'

14..ex-plains..that room/realm/of those..loving the good/works
15..ex-plains..those who's..loves are outside..the realms of the light

17...'and the spirit[good/god].
and the bride/say'..

..'come...let/him..that..athirst'...come

[athiest..lol..seeking to rationalise...
the light/via assimilating-science..and poetry/music..]

but via entering..via the wrong/gate
dont see the/cause..dont see the god..within
in all of us without

yes there is much/werror..in the translations of spiritual concepts
much vile..in the so-called holy book...but rwealise..that people re-wrote the thing..often...but deep underneathj...the voice of good..still silently reveales..its eternal promises

we can tell that..of god[good]
from that not of god[not good]

if we dont get the reason for the differences
were missing the big picture...all good comes from god

it was written..we should see visions..in the heavens
how could/they possably..have seen-that..
hubble only recently revealed