Loudmouth."Time to move on Arjay." No.This issue will not go away.The evidence if 911 being an inside job is absolute and concrete.Ron Paul is on http://patriots question911.com/ and he had a popularity rating of 41% 3 mths ago almost equal to Obama.Last yr Ron Paul had a survey on whether there should be a new independant investigation into 911. 58% said there needed to be such an investigation.

The American people smell a rat with good reason.There is no way cave dwellers in Afghanistan could have pulled off such a sophistocated operation without inside help.They really stuffed up on WTC 7 which took 6 yrs to put out a sham report.Then the alarm bells really started to ring in 2006/2007.Richard Gage began http://ae911truth.org/
In the last 12 mths the engineers and architects have increased from 700 to over 1300.There are also almost 10,000 others on this site who are demanding a new investigation.

Professional people do not lightly put their names to such causes since it does affect their careers.I have met Prof Steven Jones a phyicist who was forced into early retirement by his University.I have met Richard Gage, Prof Niels Harrit,Dr Frank Legge who are people of high integrity and intellect.They know the unequivocal and unbending truth.Why would hundreds of professionals risk their jobs and reputations for a lie?

As Robert Baer says,"The evidence points to it" when asked if he thought 911 was an inside job.Robert Baer is held in high esteem by Nick Caldis the Deputy Commissioner for Security in NSW.

Okay, Arjay, spell out the evidence:

* how did the Jews or CIA or Swedes drive truckloads of explosives up to those buildings and wire them all up ?

* how did Colin Powell (working on behalf of the aforementioned possibilities) get hold of a missile and fire it into the Pentagon ?

* how many people, give or take 50 %, might have been involved in the whole elaborate process ? 1,000 ? 10,000 ? And we know from TV that the more people involved in a scheme, the more chances there are of something going wrong, a sort of exponential growth - so what might be expected to go wrong with 10,000 people in the know ?

With respect, pinning it all on 19 dedicated fanatics, four of whom get trained to fly planes into buildings, does have an elegance about it. I guess they weren't to know that the buildings would collapse and cause far more uproar than they ever dreamed of.

Yeah, that'll do me.

Of course, to get back to this thread, it is clear also that Iran had nothing to do with 9/11, that a Sunni-oriented Caliphate is anathema to the Iranian ayatollahs, and that they have had nothing to do with al Qa'ida until recently - in fact, didn't they hand over many al Qa'ida operatives fleeing Afghanistan to the Yanks early in the piece ? So ther Iranian authorities may be brutal neo-medieval thugs, but they do have some standards.


Joe

Loudmouth,all the details are not known.That is why we need a proper investigation.

The opportunity was there.For months before 911 there were extensive renovations on the lifts and many levels of the WTC.Dear old Georgy Bush's brother Marvin Bush was on the board of Directors Securacom who were in charge of security.Ace Elevators did extensive renos which gave them access to all the crucial infrastructure.

So Loudmouth it can and was done.

Arjay,

You're kidding, right ? Explosives just in the lift shafts ? A handful of guys, 'lift repairers' ? For 150 floors of three buidings ?

So, if one little thing COULD HAVE BEEN done (a), then it was done (b). And if one little thing therefore was done, it all was done (c).

If (a) was possible, then (b) was possible, therefore (c) was possible, and 'therefore' (d) actually happened.

I guess that's the definition of a 'long bow' :)

Then there is the matter of a missile up Rumsfeld's @rse, got from somewhere, fired from somewhere. Busy man, that Colin Powell.

Good luck, Arjay !

Joe

OK Loudmouth,Start disproving the science of absolute freefall.Why did not the lower structures provide any resistance to gravity?

Why did jet fuel burn to more than twice the temps possible to melt steel? Molten steel flowed like lava.

Prof Niels Harrit has found conclusive proof of nano thermite known only to the US Military and presented a peer reviewed paper which is undisputed and authorities refuse to look at.

How do you explain 90,000 tonnes of pulversied concrete and no pancaking of of floor if this is supposed to be a gravitational collapse?

Why were so few body pieces found? Human bone fragments found on top of buildings 200 metres away.

How do buildings collapse in such a synchronised fashion and fall into their own footprints ie did all the compontent parts communicate in such a way to fall in unison?

Now this is just the start of the anomolies.

Hi Arjay,

I don't have to 'prove' anything, I'm happy with the standard 9/11 story, if only because it doesn't require all sorts of twistings and turnings to 'explain' everything from a to z.

Still and all, to respond:

* Buildings have mass (weight); a 110-storey building would weigh what ? 100,000 tonnes ? With the light frames of those two towers, if the top ten floors (the first building hit) and thirty or forty floors (the second building hit) dropped four or five metres on to the next floors down, then we are talking about 10,000 and 30,000 tonnes respectively moving suddenly through that distance onto the next floor down, and so on. I would expect, if it all happened like this, that

(a) the building hit lower down (i.e. the second building hit) would be the FIRST to come down, and

(b) that the rate of collapse would increase as the combined upper mass impacted on each floor in turn.

As for the nano-thermite, I don't know anything about its chemical composition - for all I know, it may have a component that is also present in heart tablets. And wouldn't traces of it be blown all over the city, New England and up into Canada ?

Molten steel ? You're not suggesting that the standard story is that the building structures MELTED, are you ? I'm not sure what your point is here. Of course, there would have been a hell of a lot of molten plastic, equipment, furniture, building materials, etc., on each floor, pouring down the lift- and stair-wells.

<<How do you explain 90,000 tonnes of pulversied concrete and no pancaking of of floor >>

What do you mean ? So what ?

Body pieces found 200 m away - are you suggesting that this was because of explosions ? Were they pieces of bodies from the planes (or from people on the floors that were hit), or from the buildings' occupants ?

[TBC, ad nauseam]