Social justice to a leftie is just another code word for redistribution of wealth.

Did the good Samaritan force others to pay to help the man on the side of the road or did he do it himself. If left to the greens we would all have to pay more to do less.

As for the policies of the greens, How any Christian can support a group that supports Abortion in any form is a Christian who has not read the Bible at all, nor do they want to support the least of us as Jesus commands us to.

" .. present absolute moral standards of your own!"
Posted by Verbose Philosopher, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 11:26:20 AM

"absolute moral standards"? Huh - Considering the overall sneering in the principal article, and the lack of addressing issues such as asylum seekers, or ways to reduce the abortion rate - which we would all like to see - my comments were contextual.

Refugees etc are real issues, so *politicians and diplomates* must form a *humanitarian* perspective on these issues ...

I know the bible and the history of its development based on selection of popular Gnostic-like stories that retrospectively fulfilled OT prophecies (such as epistles attributed to Paul) to know it is fiction.

Bill; You criticise the 'religious Left'; effectively citing Abbott's social conservatism as cause to vote Liberal.

But let's be clear: labour market deregulation combined with a flattening of the tax system, and with a withering away of the social wage - will hurt the poor most; and will favour the rich as against the rest of us.

There are members of the Greens who are resolutely opposed to religion. There are people on the Left who hate Christianity: though if you looked deeply enough you'd see the same is the case with the Right as well!! I am sick of vilification of Christians: but to stand up to this we should always be unequivocally in favour of social justice. I am always trying to stand out and say to people that they should drop the stereotypes.

Moving on - So Julia Gillard is an atheist.

But we're not supposed to be voting for 'personalities' on the basis of their private lives.

We're supposed to be voting on POLICIES and the effect these will have. What's wrong with supporting policies to increase foreign aid to some of the poorest people in the world? What's wrong with voting for a fairer social wage, welfare and tax system: for the sake of distributive justice and the rights of the poor? And what of the humanity and dignity of refugees?

And you talk of economic management. But the Conservatives would have seen us into recession.

All I can think of for now. But it's important to challenge stereotyopes of right-wing Christianity.

A real conscientious Christian would not use their religion as a political tool to tell other Christians who they should or should not vote for.

Then there are the non-sequiturs and red-herrings of adoptive rights and same-sex marriage supposedly denying children's rights to their *own* mother and father, "radical social experiments"
Posted by McReal, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 9:02:54 AM

So it is more important to you that lesbians and gay get their latest accessory (a child) rather then have that child have the right to both a mother and father.

That is really going to happen if people vote Green? Is it going to take 100? or 1,002?

Now we know why appealing to the Christian vote is futile - their pseudo-arguments and reasoning are!
Posted by McReal, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 11:09:23 AM

Why that sound like the made up climate change arguement dnow doesn't it.

Refugees etc are real issues, so *politicians and diplomates* must form a *humanitarian* perspective on these issues ...

I know the bible and the history of its development based on selection of popular Gnostic-like stories that retrospectively fulfilled OT prophecies (such as epistles attributed to Paul) to know it is fiction.
Posted by McReal, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 11:44:19 AM

Your post actually show that you do not know the Bible in any way shape or form. Oh you might have deluded yourself to think that you do but you don't otherwise you would not be saying the rubbish that you are.

As for refugees, give us all the benefit of your vast knowledge. Rather then bash the article and all Biblical Christians give us the wisdom of yoru vast knowledge

So far the Christian lobby has been dead silent on the issue of the mining tax

Posted by Margaret, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 10:28:37 AM

Hmmm!. Mining tax or abortion. Tough choice I know but maybe as a Christian you should look more at your priorities.