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Broken dreams in the promised land : Comments

By Bren Carlill, published 29/7/2010

Israel and Palestine: Yasser Arafat ignored an olive branch 10 years ago and nothing has changed.

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The Palestine and the fate of its inhabitants seem to be a focus for a larger fight. Palestinians are but a leverage point for others' political agendas. Who is benefiting and how from the continuation of this confrontation? It certainly provides ammunition for a number of Arab states in their broader fight with Israel while they do nothing to resolve the humanitarian needs of Palestinians. As for Israel, I can see nothing but downside to the lack of resolution.
Posted by Paul @ Bathurst, Thursday, 29 July 2010 10:19:39 AM
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This is just bizarre. In the first half page (which is all I read):

Israel has in the past treated the West Bank as though it belonged to Israel (when there was no dispute that it doesn't), as a result it would be inconvenient to now stop treating it as though it belonged to Israel, therefore it is entitled to continue treating it as though it belonged to Israel.

As for the “right of return” the argument seems to be that the aim of Israel to be a "Jewish state" (whatever that means - it certainly seems not to mean any respect for principles found in the Old Testament) should trump the rights of Palestinians to live where they have always lived. Give us a break!
Posted by jeremy, Thursday, 29 July 2010 11:17:52 AM
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“The international community, including Australia, can help. It can demand the Palestinian Authority end corruption and anti-Israel incitement, or else lose substantial aid money.”

Such comments could only come from a Zionist. If this is the dogma of the Jews in Australia, hiding behind any number of so-called “friendly” titles such as Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council, probably based on the infamous US based fifth column, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, then we can expect the likes of the Jewish sycophants such as Gillard and the Likudist/Zionist Murdoch to commence to promote such themes, day in and day out.

What Gillard has to remember is that most Australians have a high degree of compassion for the disgraceful results of Israeli murders and assassinations, home demolitions, land seizures, blockades, apartheid policies, hatred and malice and are unlikely to accept that she represents the people of this country if she submits to the bribery and corruption of which the dual-passported Zionists in Melbourne use as their trade mark. She has already had the first of the mandatory propaganda visits to Israel, arranged by her ‘boyfriend’s’ boss, so she has already lost her objectivity.

Mr. Carlill should realize as a point-scoring academic that this is not the US where we find avowed Zionists like the VP Biden acting as cheerleader for anti-American activities practiced by AIPAC, nor will we tolerate 85% of our Senate and House of representative being corrupted by the diaspora based on Israeli funding, which originally came from the US Treasury. We want our politicians, as varied a group as they are to be interested in legislation that is for Australia’s benefit, not for the benefit of the most disliked state in the world.

So in the production of this Israeli- structured article today we should be aware that even though the Israeli-initiated wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (and if Israel can manipulate it, Iran next,) were supported by Gillard and her corrupted cronies, they were not supported by the majority of decent Australians. Remember that!

We can only imagine what Mr. Carlill's doctoral theme is all about.
Posted by rexw, Thursday, 29 July 2010 11:33:48 AM
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To uneducated people, someone doing a PhD is invincible and knows-all. To anyone who has been involved in tertiary education, doing or having a PhD means little.

This article is like most of the articles written by Jews on OLO. It is entirely one-sided, heavily biased, and blames the occupied Palestinians for everything.

It confirms my thesis that religious fanaticism stifles rational thinking!
Posted by David G, Thursday, 29 July 2010 12:13:51 PM
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In 1967, as a result of the Six-Day War, Israel gained control of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Gaza strip and the Golan Heights. Israel also took control of the Sinai Peninsula, but returned it to Egypt as part of the 1979 Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty.
Following Israel's capture of these territories, settlements consisting of Israeli citizens were established within each of them. Israel has applied civilian law to the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem, incorporating them into its territory and offering their inhabitants permanent residency status and the possibility to become full citizen if they asked it. In contrast, the West Bank has remained under military occupation, and it and the Gaza Strip are seen by the Palestinians and most of the international community as the site of a future Palestinian state.[173][174] The UN Security Council has declared the incorporation of the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem to be "null and void" and continues to view the territories as occupied.[175][176] The International Court of Justice, principal judicial organ of the United Nations, determined in its 2004 advisory opinion on the legality of the construction of the Israeli West Bank barrier that the lands captured by Israel in the Six-Day War, including East Jerusalem, are occupied territory.[177]
The status of East Jerusalem in any future peace settlement has at times been a difficult hurdle in negotiations between Israeli governments and representatives of the Palestinians. Most negotiations relating to the territories have been on the basis of United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which emphasises " the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war", and calls on Israel to withdraw from occupied territories in return for normalization of relations with Arab states, a principle known as "Land for peace".[178][179][180]
It is land that is at the basis of the twisted logic in the opinion piece by Bren Carlill.
Posted by Raise the Dust, Thursday, 29 July 2010 9:38:31 PM
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Bren Carlill:>> The first intifada made Israelis realise they didn't want to be occupiers, and that a political resolution to the conflict had to be found. But the second intifada saw Israel confronted with Palestinian violence after seven years of negotiations and offers of statehood. Many Israelis came to the conclusion that Palestinian violence wasn't about Israel's occupation, but its existence.
Palestinian spokespeople blamed Palestinian corruption, economic stagnation <<

Bren, summed up well, The Israelis were prepared to give the Palestinians anything, but not everything.
I maintain that the root cause of insurrection is economic. No work, scant food, no prospects. Just existence and a cause that is both emotive and correctly grieved over by the disenfranchised and disinherited Palestinians. Keeping the Palestinian state with only an internal economy is the segregation that drives the call for intifada, perpetuating the thought "we have nothing so there is nothing to loose".

The only resolution is generationally through the economy. None want a resolution the issue, the ones who can effect change want containment as evidenced by the lack of access to air and port infrastructure. Palestine’s GDP is $12 billion, each citizen is worth $2200 in GDP terms, their neighbor in Israel is worth $28400, and a native of isolated Tonga is worth $4600.

The primary issue is the lack of investment and exposure to the world markets. The people support Hamas because as well as dropping forget me not’s on Israel, they do support the people with food, money and social infrastructure.
Posted by sonofgloin, Saturday, 31 July 2010 1:29:31 PM
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