The Palestine and the fate of its inhabitants seem to be a focus for a larger fight. Palestinians are but a leverage point for others' political agendas. Who is benefiting and how from the continuation of this confrontation? It certainly provides ammunition for a number of Arab states in their broader fight with Israel while they do nothing to resolve the humanitarian needs of Palestinians. As for Israel, I can see nothing but downside to the lack of resolution.

This is just bizarre. In the first half page (which is all I read):

Israel has in the past treated the West Bank as though it belonged to Israel (when there was no dispute that it doesn't), as a result it would be inconvenient to now stop treating it as though it belonged to Israel, therefore it is entitled to continue treating it as though it belonged to Israel.

As for the “right of return” the argument seems to be that the aim of Israel to be a "Jewish state" (whatever that means - it certainly seems not to mean any respect for principles found in the Old Testament) should trump the rights of Palestinians to live where they have always lived. Give us a break!

“The international community, including Australia, can help. It can demand the Palestinian Authority end corruption and anti-Israel incitement, or else lose substantial aid money.”

Such comments could only come from a Zionist. If this is the dogma of the Jews in Australia, hiding behind any number of so-called “friendly” titles such as Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council, probably based on the infamous US based fifth column, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, then we can expect the likes of the Jewish sycophants such as Gillard and the Likudist/Zionist Murdoch to commence to promote such themes, day in and day out.

What Gillard has to remember is that most Australians have a high degree of compassion for the disgraceful results of Israeli murders and assassinations, home demolitions, land seizures, blockades, apartheid policies, hatred and malice and are unlikely to accept that she represents the people of this country if she submits to the bribery and corruption of which the dual-passported Zionists in Melbourne use as their trade mark. She has already had the first of the mandatory propaganda visits to Israel, arranged by her ‘boyfriend’s’ boss, so she has already lost her objectivity.

Mr. Carlill should realize as a point-scoring academic that this is not the US where we find avowed Zionists like the VP Biden acting as cheerleader for anti-American activities practiced by AIPAC, nor will we tolerate 85% of our Senate and House of representative being corrupted by the diaspora based on Israeli funding, which originally came from the US Treasury. We want our politicians, as varied a group as they are to be interested in legislation that is for Australia’s benefit, not for the benefit of the most disliked state in the world.

So in the production of this Israeli- structured article today we should be aware that even though the Israeli-initiated wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (and if Israel can manipulate it, Iran next,) were supported by Gillard and her corrupted cronies, they were not supported by the majority of decent Australians. Remember that!

We can only imagine what Mr. Carlill's doctoral theme is all about.

To uneducated people, someone doing a PhD is invincible and knows-all. To anyone who has been involved in tertiary education, doing or having a PhD means little.

This article is like most of the articles written by Jews on OLO. It is entirely one-sided, heavily biased, and blames the occupied Palestinians for everything.

It confirms my thesis that religious fanaticism stifles rational thinking!

WIKIPEDIA-ISRAEL- LAND FOR PEACE
In 1967, as a result of the Six-Day War, Israel gained control of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Gaza strip and the Golan Heights. Israel also took control of the Sinai Peninsula, but returned it to Egypt as part of the 1979 Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty.
Following Israel's capture of these territories, settlements consisting of Israeli citizens were established within each of them. Israel has applied civilian law to the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem, incorporating them into its territory and offering their inhabitants permanent residency status and the possibility to become full citizen if they asked it. In contrast, the West Bank has remained under military occupation, and it and the Gaza Strip are seen by the Palestinians and most of the international community as the site of a future Palestinian state.[173][174] The UN Security Council has declared the incorporation of the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem to be "null and void" and continues to view the territories as occupied.[175][176] The International Court of Justice, principal judicial organ of the United Nations, determined in its 2004 advisory opinion on the legality of the construction of the Israeli West Bank barrier that the lands captured by Israel in the Six-Day War, including East Jerusalem, are occupied territory.[177]
The status of East Jerusalem in any future peace settlement has at times been a difficult hurdle in negotiations between Israeli governments and representatives of the Palestinians. Most negotiations relating to the territories have been on the basis of United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which emphasises " the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war", and calls on Israel to withdraw from occupied territories in return for normalization of relations with Arab states, a principle known as "Land for peace".[178][179][180]
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It is land that is at the basis of the twisted logic in the opinion piece by Bren Carlill.

Bren Carlill:>> The first intifada made Israelis realise they didn't want to be occupiers, and that a political resolution to the conflict had to be found. But the second intifada saw Israel confronted with Palestinian violence after seven years of negotiations and offers of statehood. Many Israelis came to the conclusion that Palestinian violence wasn't about Israel's occupation, but its existence.
Palestinian spokespeople blamed Palestinian corruption, economic stagnation <<

Bren, summed up well, The Israelis were prepared to give the Palestinians anything, but not everything.
I maintain that the root cause of insurrection is economic. No work, scant food, no prospects. Just existence and a cause that is both emotive and correctly grieved over by the disenfranchised and disinherited Palestinians. Keeping the Palestinian state with only an internal economy is the segregation that drives the call for intifada, perpetuating the thought "we have nothing so there is nothing to loose".

The only resolution is generationally through the economy. None want a resolution the issue, the ones who can effect change want containment as evidenced by the lack of access to air and port infrastructure. Palestine’s GDP is $12 billion, each citizen is worth $2200 in GDP terms, their neighbor in Israel is worth $28400, and a native of isolated Tonga is worth $4600.

The primary issue is the lack of investment and exposure to the world markets. The people support Hamas because as well as dropping forget me not’s on Israel, they do support the people with food, money and social infrastructure.

This article by Carlill is a classic example of propagandistic repetition in which propaganda is repeated ad infinitum in all media vehicles, eventually morphing to become known fact thus the propagandist succeeds in manipulating information to dupe the populace into supporting whatever is being peddled as the truth. The events as portrayed by Carlill have been deftly altered, whether by him or others; to always depict Israel as the offended party/the victim.

Surprisingly when those duped people become aware of the real incontrovertible facts, they are unable to resile from their formerly held belief, incredibly repeating and perpetuating the lie that they held as truth for so many years and probably used passionately in the defense of Israel.

Why..........?

Just mulling, but maybe it’s something to do with the programming we’re subjected to, that our parents were subjected to, that their parents were subjected to and so forth through time to the 3rd Century when Constantine announced his edict making Xtianity the state religion of the Empire. The new law was then enforced at the point of a Roman spear; hence all Roman subjects, including Europeans that refused to abandon their traditional faiths were pronounced “heretics” by the Roman Catholic Church and put to death.

Perhaps it is the last 2,000 years of the Church’s version of the Hebrew faith brain washed into us such that we can see no story other than the Church’s.

Admittedly Israel practices the very latest in public affairs communications, especially for media exposure of its actions that are newscast in the West, always employing blonde haired white European females that are impeccably presented, speaking perfectly calm English albeit with an American accent, as Israeli Gov’t spokespersons to conduct news conferences explaining Israeli actions and to answer questions. The western media, which is famously biased (ah-la Oliver Stone), in reply will always broadcast a Palestinian dark skinned male taped in the conflict situ with destroyed buildings in the background, unwashed, unshaven, sweaty, with soiled clothing, right in your face TV screaming in some incomprehensible language and sho'nuff the viewer forms immediate negatively biased opinions.

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Carlill asserts the outcome of Camp David is well known, Israel offered the Palestinians a state in 92 per cent of the West Bank and all of the Gaza Strip but Yasser Arafat rejected the offer.

Carlill then proceeds to spin the core of the propaganda as to the “why”.

The Israeli offer of 92% of the West Bank and all of the Gaza Strip sounds very reasonable; one is left with one conclusion - that the Israeli’s are doing their damndest for peace and that it is the barbarian Palestinians whom are intransigent in refusing the generous offer.

Least that’s what you’re meant to believe. However the bedrock of the “2 State Solution” has always been the creation of two fiscally viable, independent states, co-existing as equal neighbours.

The details that the media and Carlill did not report on is that the Israeli offer was insincere in that it denied Palestinians control over their own borders, airspace and water resources while legitimising and expanding Israeli colonies further into Palestinian territory.

PM Barack’s offer was to divide Palestine into 4 prefectures detached from each other by Israeli settlement corridors as well as surrounded by Israel. Palestine would then be the Northern West Bank, Central West Bank, Southern West Bank and Gaza. Travel between prefectures would require crossing Israeli territory meaning border control laws, after all any civilised country has border controls who would deny that? The ulterior motive of course, was to subject movement of Palestinians within their own country to capricious Israeli control.

But more than just the internal control, Israel would also control air and sea ports and thus international movements of goods and people. Had Arafat accepted the offer, the new independent Palestine would have been 4 subsets of a large – prison - under strict Israeli control, effectively placing a noose around the collective Palestinian neck that Israel could tighten at whim.

On top of the above partitioning, Israel also demanded relinquishment of claims to Palestinian East Jerusalem and of the right of return to their properties from which they were forcibly evicted in 1948.

I have lived with Muslims, including ‘moderate’ Islamic clerics. I have listened to members of Hamas, Iranians, Iraqis, and Kuwaitis etc. Many would be well recognised as ordinary people getting on with ordinary lives, very much live and let live. A significant number, however, had a pathological hatred of Jews wishing all dead. Mind you they were equitable; they held a similar hatred for each other as groups. These people were adamant all the world’s problems were caused by Jews!

Whilst that position remains it is hard to envisage resolution occurring. Remember one has an Israeli population of some 7.6M facing a potentially aggressive population of some 218M across the Middle East.

Perhaps Australians should pay attention to issues closer to home – Indonesia’s take over of West Papua is ignored.

Why does the middle east remain a crucible for world history?

[“A significant number, however, had a pathological hatred of Jews wishing all dead.”]

For which Jew is this hatred for?

I would guess that the hatred your Arab associates displayed for Jews is specifically related to the European Atheist immigrants whom self identify as Jews but are invariably ethnic Slavic, from one of the economically depressed old Eastern Bloc nations.

In Australia they would be referred to as “Economic Refugees”. Financially, Israel is a far better fiscal bet than any of those old Stalinist ghettos especially with the guaranteed $billion’s in free US taxpayer aid that has never had expenditure accountability clauses.

The majority conflictingly self identify as Jewish and Atheist, their disdain of Judaism and Islam is unabashedly displayed. That disdain is also extended to Sephardic and Mizrachi Jews whom have retained their natural brown complexions…..a good example would be the significant population of Mizrachi Jews presently living peaceably in Tehran, Iran.
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2004/s1202811.htm

[“Russian has become Israel's de-facto second language, with Russian-speakers comprising some 20% of its population a large part of them not being recognized as Jews, and not being able to get married in Israel”]
[“Zionism very specifically and explicitly asked the international community to be singled out for a very specific and very unique privilege, which was never ever granted to any other group anywhere else. Namely, the right to claim a land as its "National Home" on the basis of ancestors having lived in this land 2000 years ago.”]

The above quotes are from “Is Israel singled out - and why?” by Adam Keller – “The Other Israel - August 1, 2010”.
http://toibillboard.info/Is_Israel_singled_out.htm

Mohammad’s Sword:
[“Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for fifty generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times "by the sword" to get them to abandon their faith.”]
http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1159094813

The above is a quotation from an article entitled “Mohammad’s Sword” by Uri Avnery, a Jewish peacenik writing in Gush Shalom, the largest most influential Peace Lobbyists in the Israel.

Westralis, an interesting analysis. I can but talk on what I experienced - and those I met did not differentiate where a Jew was from; their intention was to wipe out all Jews.

At the same time they wished to kill all those who they saw as apostate, and that included those who did not practice Islam in the manner they approved. Is it possible to belong to something that one can not leave? How strong is faith if it is never tested?

Historically Islam protecting Jews? It was Sulamein the magnificent who sealed the Golden Gate and established a graveyard below it to prevent the Jew's Messiah from entering.

Mind you, what we see today of Islam and Judaism seem very different creatures to what was practiced 100+ years ago. Things seem to be building to a crescendo.