I believe that Cossomby gave as good an answer to Benk as we are going to get- ably assisted by the valiant Severin and Pynchme.

However, I believe we are now all flogging a dead horse, and will never change Benk's mind about women ALWAYS being at fault for everything!

The anti-female bible preaches that:
If a woman is sexually harassed or physically sexually assaulted, she must have 'asked for it', by the way she dressed, how she acted, where she was, the time she was out and...just because she is a female!

I just wanted to add to the chat about attractive men winning the women.
I can think of several high powered (but not so physically attractive to most women I reckon!) men who have 'attracted' women, including Lang Hancock and Kerry Packer!

- and Suze,

What about Stephen Hawking (even before he was famous) and Mick Jagger.

I have never understood women raving over Mick Jagger, or that blonde actor with the broken nose or Ben Stiller. I reckon if they weren't famous they wouldn't seem as attractive. Having said that I have always liked the looks and style of Charlie Bronson, Bruce Willis, David Jason (Frost) and Vincent D'Onofrio. I wouldn't ever have cared to meet any in real life though I don't think. I would probably have been disappointed - I like their screen characters.

Anyway I know of many ordinary blokes who don't have power, fame or fortune but who have partners who are devoted to them. I can't say that in my own case, however. My old mate looks like Sean Connery, but was much better looking than him when he was a young bloke. Strange as it might seem it wasn't his looks that I found/find attractive - it's always been his sweet nature :)

Suze, Pynchme you are both right about 'flogging a dead horse', Benk among his many assumptions about women, assumes that we only exist here on OLO - have no lives, never asserted ourselves in the real world, never been harassed at work or apparently spoken out it or supported others (male and female) when they have been bullied.



Part of the reason I suffer chronic illness is because I have stood up for myself and others. I have every reason to be extremely angry with attitudes like Benk's - they have no idea how much I restrain myself when responding to these asinine views.

Going away for a couple of days - to care for elderly mother and set-up game on PC for my nephew - more of me just doing nothing worthy I guess!

Benk: Common Sense 0

Pynchme

“What evidence do you have that people do use those terms to describe the same behaviour?”

Like Severin, I have a life outside OLO.

“In any case what's wrong with expecting people to err on the side of caution by accepting the first response?”

I do. A better question is how can we convince these other blokes to accept “no” as an answer? I do try, but they invariably feel that persistence will get them what they want. That situation needs to change before these blokes do.

“ANY bloke who has ever given a female a second chance to say yes to his advances has contributed to the problem.”

Yep, especially those blokes who have been rewarded for their persistence.

Suze
You cannot change my mind about “women ALWAYS being at fault for everything!” because I don’t believe it. Let’s not see everything in false dichotomies. Just because I criticise some women doesn’t imply that I am any less critical of these men. Once again, these blokes are deadbeats. Why do they always seem to have all the luck?

Severin

” assumes that we only exist here on OLO - have no lives, never asserted ourselves in the real world, never been harassed at work or apparently spoken out it or supported others”

I know that sexual harassment is a real problem. Therefore I expect everyone to do everything in their power to stop it, even if it comes at a price.

You ladies say that you want it stopped but just aren’t fair dinkum.

I don't think it's the "ladies" who "aren't fair dinkum" here, benk.

Benk <" Just because I criticise some women doesn’t imply that I am any less critical of these men. Once again, these blokes are deadbeats. Why do they always seem to have all the luck?"

Do you really think the guys who sexually harass women in the workplace have all the luck? The guy from David Jones has had to flee the country after losing his job!

At the end of the day, I believe that guys like these will end up all alone because they can't commit to one woman at a time, and there aren't many women around who will put up with that for long.

If you sexually harass women at work these days, you won't keep your
job for long. Doesn't sound too good to me Benk?