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Religion and science: respecting the differences : Comments

By Michael Zimmerman, published 31/5/2010

The teachings of most mainstream religions are consistent with evolution.

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Dear AJ,

Carnap (something of a rival to Popper) comments that there is a difference between the two following statements:

1. Sea-serpents exist
2. Sea-serpents exist and are on display at the British Museum

Or if one prefers:

1. God exists
2. God exists and is sitting in three pew in St Marys in Sydney

As for as testability is concerned the 2's win hands down. On the other hand, the 2's are also existential, wherein one has to make a determination based on meaning or demarcation (Popper), in the context of the metaphysical and the empirical. Herein, we might ask in what sense are any of the statements valid?

Dear Yuyutsu,

The difference lies in the existential nature of the subject of comparative statements.

1. The star has exhausted half of its nuclear fuel
2. God made it appears as if the star has exhausted half of its nuclear fuel

We can point to the star and measure its composition. We can point to and meare God.

We can't substitute a dog or can-opener for the star, as the subject of the sentence; yet we can substitute, the tooth fairy or elves for God.

-My replies could be a few between. Thanks.
Posted by Oliver, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 7:18:57 PM
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Dear Oliver,

Indeed, you successfully demonstrated that the theory whereby the world was created by the tooth-fairy is consistent with physics, but I just cannot see any use for that.

Demonstrating that there is no contradiction between science and creationism has a useful application: it allows those of a Judeo-Christian faith to sleep well at night. They may go about using science in their worldly endeavours and religion in their spiritual endeavours, without incurring a split personality.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 9:34:25 PM
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nice try stezza...mate you play word-games

retards such as you..have repeatedly declared..micro evolution of species...has resulted in all the diversity of life

i state again..never has a mutation been observed..exta/..out of genus...ever

genus may be a manmade lable...
but it is also the limiting factor of evolution

no evolution can get out of its genus...thats a simple fact

that simple fact..refutes evolution

further re the tree of life..yet again a manmade delusion

look at one...sometime...
even the tree of life project...has gone into stasis...[unable to move beyond bacteria,,,lol]...yet those such as you have swore on the delusion...claiming it some holy grail...evidense of evolution

evolution..[as postulated by such as you...states species evolved...ie apes became human...cows became whales...

[its totally delusional]..because they are of divergent genus

you can jam spell/check...
get yourself some wisdom

redirection isnt working for you

its clear you have no idea

PROVIDE..your evolution faulsifyables,...!
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 10:33:42 PM
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PERCEPTION, INTERPRETATION, COMMUNICATION

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Science and religion appear to be the yin and the yang of most if not all human civilisations.

Perhaps their difference is complementary and necessary for social harmony.

Like many old couples that survive the vicissitudes of cohabitation, they may have become inseperable, barely distinguishable any longer as individuals, like the opposing poles of the same magnet. Perhaps they have fusioned.

Science and religion are an old couple who have been living together for such a long time now it is possible that if either one eventually passed away, the other would not survive alone very long.

It seems to me that the difficulties described here by Michael Zimmerman and which he attributes to "illiteracy", are more broadly speaking problems relating to perception, interpretation and communication.

Reality is not the problem and couples that endure have surely established a modus operandi that satisfies both egos to the point that it allows them to fusion into one.

Shared perception, shared interpretation and shared communication. Are those the characteristics of an "accommodationist" ?

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 11:34:42 PM
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Oh dear, not this boring subject again?
As far as I am concerned you should all call a truce.

No creationist can ever 'prove' that God created the world or it's inhabitants, just as scientists can never 'prove' there wasn't a God who created the world.

It was all just too long ago- let's just go on with what science can prove today :)
Posted by suzeonline, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 12:40:33 AM
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one under god,

I don't believe you.... prove it.
Posted by Stezza, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 1:53:00 AM
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