we are well aware/
i presume...that there are those/of science-bent..who theorise/of the issue of darkmatter..[being over 80 percent/of the uni-verse]

we have/the likes of dick/dorkins...who claims to be..the godhead of religion of physics...as well..as the anti christ of religious beliefs...

who yet dares speculate/that alians founded humanity...as well as his delusions of/evolution via species..into new genus...and other quasi athiest-thesisies

if it all seems/too complicated...know its by design...
so lets try to focus..this topic

lets talk of/the dark matter...
that science..cannot explain...or detect..
yet dares/to quantify..lol

here is/the scoop...its the heavens..[light]
and the hells...ie/those..who reject the light/and chose..to dwell in hell

that its ALL called..darkmatter...is the joke..
for of truth..science has no idea/of the concept..thus are the equivelent/embodyment..of..the blind..leading the blinded

so i have long/sought to shine the light..on the matter of dark-matter
as fast as..i put up/the links..they get taken down/banned..or get told/to shut-up...lol

here is/my previous attempt/from morgana forumco

Quote:

my favourites list
revealing the vision..behind the s/words

http://swedenborg.newearth.org/hh/hh00toc.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/heavenearth.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/life.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/facts.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/morelife.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/hereafter.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/morelight.html

then/there was

http://www.celestinevision.com/celestin ...
banned from posting

http://www.civilrights.org.nz/forum/index.php
closed to non members
[archived-site only?]

alex jones/prison planet/prison planet[or info wars]banned

http://www.thinkfreeforums.org/index.php

http://thinkfreebefree.proboards105.com/index.cgi

dont recall these/put post them..anyhow

http://www.momentoflove.org -Every person in the world has a heart
http://www.WantToKnow.info -Reliable, verifiable information on major cover-ups
http://www.inspiringcommunity.org -Building a Global Community for All
http://www.weboflove.org -Strengthening the Web of Love that interconnects us all
http://www.transformationteam.net -

anyhow..if you need to acces/the first lot of sites
i have re-searched them out/they explain this..'dark/matter'...more than the richard/crainium/dick dorkins does/could

Quote:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... rt+rt&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=keiser+report+rt&aq=f

http://www.divinetruth.info/Downloads/CD/NaturalLove/PDFs/Franchezzo%20-%20A%20Wanderer%20In%20The%20Spirit%20Lands.pdf

http://www.divinetruth.info/Downloads/CD/NaturalLove/PDFs/Anthony%20Borgia%20-%20Life%20In%20The%20World%20Unseen.pdf

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/ee

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=rebutting+evolution&aq=f&aqi=g-sx7g-msx3&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

http://www.divinetruth.info/naturallovepathdocuments.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSuewxm7ER8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlw5P-D8tH0&playnext_from=TL&videos=ETbq_5GnJN4

so i would download them...or better print them out /
before they get taken/out...yet again

hard copy is the best/its best to know the truth/
before the veils come down on 25 dec 2012

or before dorkins...forms his neo/new religion...
theism for athiests...

with the richard cranium /dorkins..as its godhead/
ttm..its/enforcer..spokes-person

Thank you OUG for your interesting insights. You have helped me more than you know.

Take it easy

TTM

if i helped/then thats great

but to reply your earlier questions

QUOTE..<<..Do you have any of these symptoms?>>
<<hypervigilance..(feels like/but is not paranoia)

NO to both

<<exaggerated..startle/response>>
fight or flight?...no
<<irritability>>rarely...more a frustration/sadness..that people dont want/to..know/how/why..or what/next

<<sudden/angry or violent..outbursts>>..no
<<flashbacks,>>no...more/like
good/flash/forward...and flashes of inspiration/hope/faith

<<nightmares,>..never
<<intrusive recollections>>no,
<<replays,>..no

<<violent/visualisations>>
god is love...thus...no

<<triggers>>decievers/decieving the gullible
<<sleep/disturbance>..no
<<exhaustion>..the oppisite/maybe..but no
<<chronic fatigue>>no
<<reactive depression>>no
<<guilt>>i do my bit..but injurouse..'guilt'...no

<<feelings of detachment>>
i am a part of gods-creation...it..is..as/ONE/under god...me too

<<avoidance behaviours>>
occasionally standback//letting fools be foolish..
but dont..avoid'..them

<<nervousness,>>about what?...no
<<anxiety>>>in gods time...thus no/about what?..to what end?..
god is love/thus no judgment/day..lol..

<<phobias/about specific daily routines>>no
<<events>>no
<<<objects>>no
<<irrational or impulsive behaviour>>i dont bother to explain//let others judge
<<loss of interest>>getting there

<loss of ambition>>yes
<<anhedonia(inability to feel joy and pleasure>>its not an ability/more a gift
<<poor concentration>>>lol

<<impaired memory>>>lol
<<joint pains/.muscle pains>>toothaches and all the usual/old peoples pains
<<emotional numbness>>not yet..but working on it
<<physical numbness>>read joint pain comment
<<low self-esteem>>>look at my/tags..oneUNDERgod..johannine..jonah/old-ox..head of the deer
i presume to know that of which i speak...in serving the good of god..its ego..thats more the danger

<<an overwhelming sense of injustice>not at the personal/level...but a sadness that people get fukkkkt over..all the time...while the elites/remain in iignorance..thay are selling their soul..for mere baubles..that may demand a high spiritual price...in the hereafter

<<and a strong desire/to do something about it.>>yeah you got me there[its the only thing keping me alive]...but im slowly letting it go[see/how my posting rates are falling fast]

<<OUG.May I suggest/a little time out.>>you may...only one court case to go...

so thanks/for the asurance.../licence..to let it go

im/on a fools errand...
i knew it allready...
just had/to..give it one more go.

m/on a fools errand...
i knew it already...
just had/to..give it one more go.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 9:56:52 AM

Well, just as long as you don't blow a fuse. smile.

But lets talk the hypothetical's on aliens. Well what if and I mean what if, if somewhere in our past, we have something other than god assisting us which would fill in some of the gaps where natural life and religion fails to fill. In our human history and if not all recorded available data, there seems to be incredible leaps and bounds not only with the flora and fauna on this planet, but also with our own recorded history which also seems to have these incredible missing links to the chain when it comes to the fill the story of us as human beings.
Well take the Egyptians for instances,they seem to of had well advanced knowledge of the star constellations (Orion in particular) and displayed achievements in technology that does not fit with the time line of their own progress.
You know the ancient Egyptian history as most do and what they've achieved just doesn't add up when the most basic of inventions was the wheel which some-how missed the attention which would correlate with the development of the people at that particular time.

Do you have an answer for this?

We just might not be alone after all, and god just might be not what we think it is.

In this whole universe, do you think your god just picked this one tiny little blue-green planet and that was it!

It doesnt make sence just to put all of one's egges in one basket, does it?

This is why I keep an open mind because of these Questions.

Please try and think out-side the box OUG.

The bible and natural life does have these gaps, and faith just wont cut it for me.

I think we have had a little help.

And calling it god is a nice way of rounding it up, but I think there's more.

TTM

Dear George,

I think that "old time religion" has made it very difficult for contemporary Christians, because past Christian (other religious)institutions tried to make themsleves interpretors of all knowledge, said things about the physical world and were found wrong. Had the Vatican scientists re-assigned the boundary between the natural and the supernatural in the face of Copernicus, as the underlying issue was the realm of God - I guess an issue of proximity and delimitation. Herein, God lived in a temporal-like kingdom somewhere beyond the Moon with his favourites by His side rather than having an existence beyond time and space. Although, a skeptic about either proposition, I see latter would seem more feasible to one in doubt.

Physics provides metaphors of alternative realities. At least here, we have science's bounded universe (or other physical theory)counterbalanced by rational outline of what a God(s) might be... something totally unlike those portraits described in the scriptures (Christian or otherwise).

Perhaps, ultimately, one might ask does (will) science or religion best explain the relationship between the macro-universe and other realms. I put QM and particle physics will increasingly become worthy adversaries to understanding (a) how so much can happen in (comparatively) short life of the universe and (b) the nature of First Cause. I am as interested in seeing what happens at CERN in October(if on schedule) as reading Genesis.

Dear Oliver,

Welcome back to this never-ending story. If I understand you properly, you are not far from what I meant when I said “There were times when the role of religion as ersatz-science was needed and justified. Those times are (or should be) over …”

More precisely, the distinction between what is “natural” science and what religion/theology dealing with what is called “supernatural” came into our (enlightened Western) culture, (that arose from medieval Christendom) only recently. This distinction did not exist that explicitly in other cultures and associated religions. Hence the futile, in my opinion, disputes about whether Buddhism accepts or not a supernatural realm, i.e. is a religion in our, Western, meaning of the word.

So in the pre-Copernican or pre-Galilean times there was no need to look for interpretations of the Bible and those of the findings of natural science that were compatible. You are right that when the need arose, it was very painful for the Church to understand this difference, and to accept its role only as the guardian of Christian faith, and not of what became the realm of natural science, where qualified scientists know better.

In that quote I also said that I believed that the role of science as ersatz-religion was also only temporary, since as religion and theology cannot answer philosophical questions dealing with concepts that require insights from science, neither can science answer philosophical questions dealing with ideas and concepts where it cannot offer its own insights.

>>latter would seem more feasible to one in doubt<<
Panentheism ... posits that God exists and interpenetrates every part of nature, AND timelessly extends beyond as well” (Wikipedia).

So again, if I understood you properly, there is no need to decide between the two visions: Panentheism, as professed today by many theologians with or without scientific (physics) qualifications, is a “both and”. This is perhaps not that much harder to accept than that matter exhibits both wave-like and particle-like properties. See also http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9423#150700 for a more explicit statement of this transcendent-immanent duality of God.