blairbar,

thank you for adressing me properly.

I did feel compelled to growl at you as I do not like to have my words twisted to support your argurement that I know is wrong.

Like CJ states, a quick check of the names from Palm Island will give you an idea that all was not well in the Torres Strait. If you read some of the literature I suggested you will find that the 'law' at the time made all Indigenous children 'wards of the state' and under the control of the varying Aboriginal Depts. With such racist laws, defining what was a breach of those laws is difficult as the govt could do anything they wanted to Indigenous children.

To reword my earlier words, your knowledge base is still very young and small - not yourself, just the knowledge base from which you are drawing on in this conversation.

I honestly hope that you are prepared to continue to find out more in your chosen field of interest, so I will suggest that the church and its followers will not provide you with as much information as those that have a more critical view on life. Unfortunately, some of those people who shared thier knowledge with me are no longer with us, and Murray Island has bred some free thinkers, people who may be church goers but still retain the capacity to think critically.

Hocksta, it is great to see how many of us are offering a counter view on the denialists of the Stolen Generations

Continuation of last post

For symptomatic of their defining malaise, is these racists imperious belief, that as colonial inheritors of the people, the land, and the law, they are above the law, because they own the law, as implemented by their colonial forefathers, that allows their misappropriation in continuity, of their forefathers illegitimate rights.

For example, in Melbourne, as a person recognised by the Maori of NZ, as a member of Nga Tamatoa, I had the privilege of liaising with the leaders of the Indigenous people of the Melbourne area, the Wurundjeri, on issues that I was required to become involved in e.g. cultural protocols, etc. Yet this impostor Loudmouth, quotes his conversation with one Indigenous man in Fitzroy, as authority to substantiate a highly significant assertion denigrating Indigenous people of this country.

It may be observed further then, of the dysfunctional nature of the malaise of racism, is realised its capacity only to vary its tactics by corresponding varying degree, that it is inherently restricted by its defining nature as illegitimate. It is why it must not be tolerated. These dynamics are known.

We may further observe, as significant to the two articles observed to have currently attracted racists on OLO, as observed further consistent of their malevolent attitudes, this article, and the that of the thread, ‘Barack Obama: better never than late,’ that;

[1] relevant to this article, the finding just brought down for Mr Trevorrow, dismissing the appeal of the South Australian Govt, against the compensation awarded to him for his claim relating to his identification as one of the Stolen Generation, and,

[2] the decision by the US Govt, just handed down, to pass Health reform as introduced by the Govt of Barack Obama, after the first raising of the issue some century ago, and attempts to address it, of some half century duration.

These achievements comprehensively demonstrate the dislocation from reality of these disturbed racists malaise.

Continued

CJ
“Through my professional position at the time, I came to know several TSI people in NQ in the 1980s who had been removed from their communities and relocated to Aboriginal missions on the mainland and Palm Island. Obviously, I can't name them - however, that's why I'm so certain that such cases exist.”
Torres Strait Islander children were removed from their communities in the Torres Strait and sent to Palm Island and Aboriginal missions on the mainland? As I said in my previous post to Aka CJ, publish the details of your recollections. There are plenty of avenues available. Don’t you find it rather odd though that the “Report of the National Inquiry into the separation of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children” makes no mention of Torres Strait Islander children being sent to Aboriginal missions on the mainland and/or Palm Island?
“Of course, in the first half of the 20th century when the LMS was busily indoctrinating Islanders, the Queensland government made no distinction between Aborigines and Islanders”
The London Missionary Society withdrew its presence in the Torres Strait in the 1910s being replaced by the Church of England. The LMS arrived in the 1870s.
I guess you also make no distinction between Aborigines and Islanders.
Aka
“growl at you”. Cripes I haven’t that expression for a while.
“Like CJ states, a quick check of the names from Palm Island will give you an idea that all was not well in the Torres Strait.”
CJ naturally didn’t give any names. In fact CJ supplied nothing but an assertion.
“To reword my earlier words, your knowledge base is still very young and small”.
With regards to the occurrence of the “Stolen Generations of Torres Strait Islander Children”, my knowledge base is a large as yours. I can’t find any evidence to support the notion of “Stolen Generations of Torres Strait Islander Children” and you can’t present any evidence to support it.

You can never have met me Loudmouth/Joe, for our purpose as the Indigenous people of the land, as I stated, was to observe you, to ensure you were unable to harm anyone. If I had requested such material from you as you suggest, why did you not report me to the police and have me apprehended? Nothing you say adds up Joe.

Amicus, the explanation I gave is obvious to everyone except racists alike you. The explanation is in the form of sarcasm, for that derision is what your bigotry deserves, nothing less.

I observe the potential credibility of tolerating the voice of dissent as integral to our democracy, unfortunately, with racism we are not dealing with principles of democracy as racists would attempt to deceive us, but known mental disease.

I concur that even then your voices should be heard, however it should be heard in the perspective it is, of its malevolence toward the minorities its aimed at. The Apartheid experience and example, is a comprehensive case study of the extent, intransigence, and relentless nature of such illness.

Alike other psychotic illnesses, racism requires community effort and will to address the immediacy required of response to its malaise. Some, alike you, suggest promotion of its freedom to exist, however, the Apartheid experience reveals its risk if allowed to proliferate and organise.

That we now have laws for terrorist cells and activity, and the threat from racists is observed of corresponding scale of malevolence, services such as, mental health, and criminal investigation, are realised therefore, requiring corresponding weight, will, and resources. In Australia currently, that will is becoming increasingly observed of its absence.

Cameron R, the terminology I would define of these whackos, is the relentless intransigence of rabid dogs [obviously I enjoy perverse prose as a counter to assimilation]. Looking forward to your read also.

Ka kite! [Keep well]

blairbar: << Don’t you find it rather odd though that the “Report of the National Inquiry into the separation of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children” makes no mention of Torres Strait Islander children being sent to Aboriginal missions on the mainland and/or Palm Island? >>

There you go again. Earlier in this very thread I provided you with a quote from the "Bringing Them Home" report that refutes your erroneous assertion, which you acknowledged. Are you being disingenuous or do you have a particularly short memory?

<< The Inquiry was told of the practice in the Torres Strait Islands of sending children born to Islander mothers and non-Islanders to mission dormitories on the Islands (such as at Thursday Island) or to mainland institutions up until the late 1970s. >>

http://www.hreoc.gov.au/social_justice/bth_report/report/ch5.html

As you should know, there are professional ethical reasons that prevent me from identifying such people in a public forum such as this. Further, if you're bloody minded enough to disbelieve the National Inquiry, who's to say you would accept my recollections anyway?

Why on earth would you want to deny TSI victims of the Stolen Generations inclusion in the PM's apology, no matter how many there are?

ngarmorn "Amicus, the explanation I gave is obvious to everyone except racists alike you. The explanation is in the form of sarcasm, for that derision is what your bigotry deserves, nothing less. "

No it's not, it's rubbish and a convoluted attempt to BS and has failed miserably. Sarcasm, it sounds like a drunken ramble.

You act like a racist bigot and probably assume I'm a white descendant of colonial Brits - well you're wrong if you do, but of course that doesn't matter it's the outlet of your anger that's important to you.

Another OLO poster with anger management issues..

I think you're overly used to dealing with, and as you demonstrate, abusing everyone around you that might possibly think differently and disagree with your ideas.

That's actually a sign of insecurity, which explains your abusive and insulting tone. Maybe that works where you came from, but clearly its being challenged here and you can't cope.

Well good luck with the bullying, I've seen enough to realize your mind is so closed and you're only here as a BS activist.

I'm still not sure what to think of all the sides of this issue, but abuse and insults hasn't convinced me at all.

Maybe you all should post on OLO a warning when you post that "this article is in the intolerant zone, so if you think differently or question things, don't bother"