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Facebook’s new slut page: a monument to girl hatred : Comments

By Melinda Tankard Reist, published 11/3/2010

Since when did it become OK to hate women and girls so publicly and to judge them so mercilessly?

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Antiseptic: As I understand it, the term was used in concentration camps - as if the Jews had a hope of getting free if they'd just shape up to the expectations of their oppressors. No matter how hard they worked for the Nazis who controlled them, they would never gain their liberty.

Therefore, it was a warped reality imposed by the bullying Nazis on their captives while they endured every imaginable abuse - including being described as and told they were worthless, despicable and not fit to live amongst their superiors (the Nazis) except as slave labour.

I don't think you appreciate the irony of seeing a bully use the same term to dismiss the ongoing denigration and devaluing of other humans.
The additional pretentiousness of trying to use it by wringing it through a few contortions is really quite something.
Posted by Pynchme, Sunday, 14 March 2010 5:23:08 PM
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Some seem to miss the point, here it's not gender per se it, bullying.
BS excuses aside it is wrong. And those who defend it are simply self justifying their own short comings as humans to justify their lack of personal concern and effort.
Posted by examinator, Sunday, 14 March 2010 6:23:53 PM
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Antiseptic,

I was referring to this:

"It's the internet.
Every person can set up a page, and people are free to say whatever they like- and as such, everything sayable will be said.
Nothing else to see here."

It's 'argument' by statement of 'the bleeding obvious'. So obvious to the poster that he ridicules the article's author for apparently not noticing. He and another poster eventually had a good chortle about this. While it might be true in a sense, it's a truism too, and doesn't address cultural, moral and ethical issues that arise. It's a shrug of the shoulders response which, today, is often followed by that ghastly, clichéd discussion-killer, 'deal with it'.

I disagree with your view, though, in so far as I don't think Melinda has failed to notice the obvious, despite her being in opposition to the views put by KH and one or two others. Just because a certain state of affairs is obvious doesn't mean that it ought to be that way or that there is no point in trying to alter things; as it turns out, Facebook's owners have removed the offending page. Perhaps the obviosity is not quite so bleeding after all.

I'm glad you brought up the Nazis, though, because I'm sure that in Nazi Germany there were millions of people who also shrugged their shoulders, said that's the way things are, and did nothing about the slogans daubed all over the homes, work-places and business premises of Jews, even if they hadn't thought that they were of inferior stock. It was also a type of bullying, and a prelude to the holocaust. Some of the observers possibly also thought the slogans and cartoons were harmless and not to be taken seriously.

I think your comment, "After the war, it was no longer "bleeding obvious" to anyone but the deranged" might well be directed at KH. Perhaps after some long period of free-for-all say-whatever-you-like Internet, the attitude that criticism of online abuse and bullying and its effects is 'just another beat-up' or a curtailment of free speech might also appear 'deranged'.
Posted by Rapscallion, Sunday, 14 March 2010 7:21:47 PM
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"Whether or not poor behaviour can be legislated doesn't matter much; it seems to me more important to at least uphold an ideal of desirable behaviour. Informal social expectations can have great impact."

Excellent thinking. Why can't we apply this to promiscuous females? Men who sleep around are certainly encouraged to "uphold an ideal of desirable behaviour".
Posted by benk, Sunday, 14 March 2010 9:07:43 PM
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Counselling for your negative experience[s]Benk; you generalise about women excessively, placing us all in the same basket which is farcical. I do not place men in one basket despite my negative experiences; why do you? Open up a thread and let it all out in one long go; it will assist you and in turn you can assist other blokes who generalise after negative painful experiences
Posted by we are unique, Sunday, 14 March 2010 9:44:39 PM
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Rapscallion:"ust because a certain state of affairs is obvious doesn't mean that it ought to be that way or that there is no point in trying to alter things"

That was precisely my point.

MTR has a personal agenda, prosecuted through all of her writings, which is essentially religiously-based wowserism with a soupcon of feminist dogma to act as a dog-whistle. She's getting quite good at her schtick and this sort of thing, especially the perjorative "slut" fits neatly into her bag of tricks. If it had been a page about boys who toss off in the school dunny, she'd have found it altogether less offensive, I suspect.

Once again, it depends on whether you think you're a Nazi or a Jew, figuratively speaking.

On the wider subject of a free internet, i don't see how this has any relevance. All the ISPs have abuse policies which would encompass this sort of situation. There is no need for external regulation as far as I can see.
Posted by Antiseptic, Monday, 15 March 2010 7:51:54 AM
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