benk you're getting creepy man.

'earned the right'?
So all women are to be called sluts unless they earn the right not to be called such?

'You will never meet a slut who doesn't criticise men who have left them.'
Re he he healllly? Those sluts hey. Such hypocrites.

'cannot stand losers'?
So much anger. Why don't you just pity 'losers'?

'these women all want a long term relationship, at some time, with a bloke who can afford to be fussy.'
Do they just. 'These women'.

'how their previous exploits make any current boyfriend look like a loser.'
Re he he he he he heallllly! Wow! What Are you Sheik Hilaly? So a man's worth is determined by the amount of sexual experience of their partner?

'The availability of casual sex also makes it hard for other women to maintain long-term relationships.'
You are Shiek Hilaly! Oooh watch out for that uncovered meet girls, it'll lead your boyfriends astray. These men just cant help themselves faced with the power of those sluts, turning them into losers.

'Those of us who don’t respect suckers. Sleazy blokes are like con-artists.'
SO when men are dishonest, you don't respect the 'suckers'. When women are dishonest you don't respect the 'sluts'. Interesting way of looking at things. And anyone who forms a relationship is a slut is a loser. What about someone who forms a relationship with a sucker?

BTW: When you talk about 'these women', do you mean cheerleaders?

Antiseptic: <"pynchme:"I admire men who have the courage to stand apart from the crowd."

Aw shucks, hon, 'tain't nothin'.">

Your views are chained to the 1950s. Nothing revolutionary or original.

Careful Houellebecq; you're in danger of being seen as a feminist sympathizer.

However, you're always drawing opinions out of your stereotypical-feminist nonsense box and attributing them to me or to "your average feminist." I AM your average feminist and most of the rubbish you attribute to me/them is not something I (at least, or any feminists I know) think.

I am heartened when I see and hear young people questioning these sorts of issues:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc8bVJxkcGE

Benk: <"These women all want a long term relationship, at some time, with a bloke who can afford to be fussy. By sleeping around, they are shooting themselves in the foot.">

Are men who sleep around shooting themselves in the foot?

See the problem is that you don't exhort men to be less promiscuous; you somehow expect women to be responsible for everyone else's moral choices and behaviour.

It isn't the responsibility of one sex or the other, but of individuals making better or worse choices.

Btw - sounds like you're suffered in a relationship. You must have been terribly hurt. Sorry.

Houllie

"So all women are to be called sluts unless they earn the right not to be called such?"
I get a little peeved at women who act like sluts and can't understand why they are labelled as such. I cannot be the only one.

'You will never meet a slut who doesn't criticise men who have left them.'
Have you ever met one of these women who didn't complain about blokes who chose not to stay with them?

"Why don't you just pity 'losers'?"
I stand corrected.

'these women all want a long term relationship, at some time, with a bloke who can afford to be fussy.'
Have you ever met one of these women who didn't suffer from the delusion that they could choose to have a long term relationship, at a time of their choosing, with the guy of their dreams?

'how their previous exploits make any current boyfriend look like a loser.'
C'mon Houllie, you've seen it. Her and the new boyfriend arriving somewhere. The funny looks. The people going into huddles and snickering. The blokes who insist on telling him about the time that they had a one-night stand. I've seen the same scene plenty of times with sleazy men and their new sucker. The mock surprise when she tells us how they have only been together for a couple of weeks.

"These men just cant help themselves faced with the power of those sluts, turning them into losers." Beware of false dichotomies. Saying that women have a responsibility to try to stop these creeps, even if it comes at a cost, in no way implies that men have no responsibility to show some self-restraint.

"SO when men are dishonest, you don't respect the 'suckers'. When women are dishonest you don't respect the 'sluts'."
Again, beware of false dichotomies. I have little respect for either the con-artists or their victims.

"When you talk about 'these women', do you mean cheerleaders?"
No, obscure French authors and poets.

Benk: <" I get a little peeved at women who act like sluts and can't understand why they are labelled as such. I cannot be the only one.">

No you're far from the only one. That's what feminists have been fighting that condemnation for so long.

Benk: What about a girl who meets a bloke who says he loves her and, convinced that they have the relationship of a lifetime, they have sex (maybe have a baby). The bloke then either loses interest or it becomes apparent that he didn't love her in the first place and off he goes.

Are you saying you have no compassion for her?

Is she more in the wrong than him?

Reverse the situation and it's a bloke being convinced that some girl is ready to commit to a long lasting relationship; they have sex etc and then she loses interest or it turns out she was never committed in the first place.

Do you have any compassion for him?

Is he more in the wrong than her ?

Pynchme

You go girl. Loving your responses here, just thought I'd let you know you are not alone. Can't really be arsed posting further, made my opinion on bullying known - applies to both sexes.

Really Benk, you can't claim women are sluts without acknowledging that their paramours are "slutees"? Sounds like some kind of cough medicine. Sore throat after taking on the entire rugby team? Take a Sluteaze. Sorry. But this pointless bickering of yours brings out my inner facetiousness.

pynchme:"I AM your average feminist"

LOL. I thought there was no such thing as an "average feminist"? Obviously then, an average feminist is a committed Catholic, who deals only with dysfunctional men in a professional counselling capacity and is incapable of grasping simple mathematics.

Glad we got that cleared up; it's important to establish norms.

You really are a confused old thing, but you do know that all men are bastards: it must be true, Michael Flood said so...

benk, the reason for the double standard is that girls instinctually understand that their ownership of a womb gives them an automatic gold pass when they decide to use it, rather than just the attached plumbing. To satisfy their urge to reproduce and to raise children, all they need a man for is to inseminate them.

On the other hand, boys understand that if they want to reproduce and to raise their kids, they have to convince a girl that she wants to keep them around. I think your lament is an expression of this naturally unbalanced situation, which has been exacerbated by the hamfisted efforts of feminist social constructionist ideologues.

When the man-as-breadwinner model was in existence, the reason was obvious: to have a comfortably supported lifestyle. The feminist revolution changed all that, justifying it on the basis that some relationships are dysfunctional, but never mentioning that the vast majority of relationships are not seriously dysfunctional at all.

What I find most amusing is the likes of pynchme waxing rhapsodic about their own domestic situation but advocating an ideology that assumes all relationships consist of wifebashing men and victimised women. "All the world's mad 'cept me and thee".

It's a form of messiah complex: all women are downtrodden except her and they desperately need saving from themselves. It's pynchme to the rescue!