Houellebecq: <"Oh yes, that's right CJs the nice boy isn't he. Couldn't be because he agrees with your feministing gear could it?">

Well I'd like to think I was circumspect enough to say it isn't but of course that has something to do with it. I admire men who have the courage to stand apart from the crowd. Not just agreeing with "feministing gear" - but more. There's disagreeing at times too (as amongst feminists in general) and on the whole showing that he actually understands the concepts without resorting to silly stereotypes. He clearly understands what he's talking about.

On the other hand, I also get along fine with many people who don't share my basic beliefs - people who are neither feminist nor Christian and who live their lives in all sorts of ways that I just wouldn't and who express their beliefs accordingly. I consider everything they say and read any information they provide with great interest.

CJ

"Yet you seem quite comfortable using the word 'slut'."
How else can society communicate to these women that their behaviour is unacceptable?

Pynchme

There is no direct equivalent to slut, but that doesn't mean that sleazy blokes don't face criticism.

Pelican

Ultimately, we cannot control what others say about us. We can control what people think when they hear people being criticised.

benk: << How else can society communicate to these women that their behaviour is unacceptable? >>

Dear oh dear, benk - you sound like a Jane Austen novel. You just don't get it, do you?

<< There is no direct equivalent to slut >>

Like I said, QED.

Shadow Minister:"there is a very strong biological imperative for the difference in behaviour which probably drives social norms."

Absolutely correct. This discussion has been held previously in relation to porn usage.

Houellebecq:"Kids are inventive."

Indeed they are. It's remarkable that "slut" has retained currency, really.

Houellebecq:"I don't find any of that dog stuff remotely funny"

You think it's meant to be funny? I see it as a character sketch, albeit unflattering to pomeranians everywhere.

pynchme:"diminish CJ's masculine identity"

Only in the sense of getting the last drop out of the bottle.

pynchme:"I admire men who have the courage to stand apart from the crowd."

Aw shucks, hon, 'tain't nothin'.

CJMorgan:"You just don't get it, do you?"

Answer me a simple question, CJ, no dodging. Do you regard promiscuity as something to be encouraged? If so, why?

'How else can society communicate to these women that their behaviour is unacceptable?'

What an odd question. 'these women'? Hmmm. Unacceptable? To who?

'Do you regard promiscuity as something to be encouraged? If so, why?'

anti,

I can answer for CJ, as we're great mates.

Promiscuity is not the problem, and though sluts are branded as such for promiscuity, it's really other factors now days that are the real issue.

I think the derogatory aspect of slut these days is more about dishonesty. Promiscuity is neither here nor there. Someone who has many sexual partners who hasn't deceived them or used them in any way I think is quite accepted by today's standards.

One aspect is pity really. Pity for a girl who has sex for the purpose of trying to get people to like her. Another aspect again is using the offer of sex for other material gains or for manipulation.

Basically it all boils down to honesty. It's not the how many, it's the why you have the partners. Same for prudes who don't have sex. It's the why they don't have sex. Don't have sex because you don't like it with that person; nobody cares. You really like and secretly want to shag but feel inhibited; You're a prude.

These rules are there for men. Men are a sleaze, lecherous, a player, a dirty old man etc if they use women just for sex. It's the dishonesty. Of course your average feminist ignores these terms attempting to put constraints on mens sexual activity as if they don't exist. They also ignore men being characterised as the boring nice guy/sexy bad boy dichotomy analogous to the supposed Madonna/Whore.

I think women who shag lots of men just because they want to don't get called sluts and if they do they don't care because they're the kind of people who don't care what others think, hence they shag who they like.

I think you're on the money with women more likely using slut for competitive reasons though.

Thanks Howler, old mate. I'm not in the habit of responding to questions from ill-mannered oafs, but as it happens I agree pretty much with your take on it - except for the gratuitous feminist bash.

Also, I told you the dog sh!t is no joke, as Septic acknowledges. It's entirely one sided, and he does it purely to provoke and insult. In this thread, I hadn't addressed a single comment to him, but he couldn't manage to disagree with me without flaming.