It's interesting that people would bring up One Nation in a past tense, they're still a federally registered party and active in all states bar Queensland and WA as far as I know.
Pauline wasn't saying what the majority of Australians wanted to hear
I've never voted One Nation the whole concept is just absurd and attracts the worst sort of ignorant bigot, Imagine how much worse things would be if she was still in parliament.
Nationalism always ends up with enemies in place of ideas, so said a famous Ukrainian poet.
Modern Australian Nationalism is exactly that, bereft of any real ideas.
Some of them talk about deporting non White people as if it's a real and viable prospect, the rest are part of the Pro Israel lobby and focus entirely on making the lives of Muslims as miserable as possible.
I'm trying to illustrate why the fear of "Hate" speech among White people is so overblown.
There's no group in this country that could capitalise on such sentiments, as much as we're led to believe that "Nazis" could come back at any minute (were they ever here?) the reality is far more mundane.

David Jennings, in his post of Thursday, 25 March 2010 at 9:47:43 AM, asks:

"... why is this stuff [the allegedly racist comments
of, presumably primarily, Jay of Melbourne] still up here?"

and a little later;

"Wouldn't an Indian find the comment, "I am talking
about the final solution to the BLACK problem," to be
threatening and intimidating?"

In answer I'd have to say that conceivably an Indian person could feel threatened and intimidated, if the quoted words were unable to be read within their context. Which is exactly where David Jennings is placing them, out of context! It seems David Jennings is incapable, or unwilling, of comprehending that JoM, in his post of Thursday, 18 March 2010 at 5:20:51 AM, is deprecating the very idea of there being any 'black problem' needing 'final solution'.


Jay of Melbourne's words were:

"What if I said there was this RACE problem
and this RACE problem would be solved only if
hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought
into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking
about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final
solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man
to notice this and what kind of psycho black man
wouldn't object to this?"



David Jennings goes on to say:

"..., it is pretty easy to see that this is racist
hate speech. It basically infers that the non-whites
are out to get the whites and are parasitic upon them."

No it isn't, and it doesn't.

David Jennings is merely ASSERTING that the comments of which he is critical contain such an inference. His next claim, that "This isn't lawful speech in Australia.", gives his real objective away. He wants to shut down the OLO debate on this article, one at least notionally about immigration levels, and he has tried playing the 'implied legal action' threat to do so.

He shouldn't be let get away with that.

I find myself in agreement with CJMorgan's call to not try to censor Jay of Melbourne, although not for the reasons he advances. Whether or not Jay of Melbourne is a troll, there are some illuminating perspectives contained within some of his posts. One of them was the observation, in his post of Thursday, 25 March 2010 at 9:48:47 PM, that:

"Pauline [Hanson] wasn't saying what
the majority of Australians wanted to hear.
I've never voted One Nation the whole concept is
just absurd and attracts the worst sort of ignorant bigot."

I found it particularly so given that GrahamY had also raised the ghost of One Nation in his post of Thursday, 25 March 2010 at 12:42:20 PM, with his remark in defence of his refusal to delete some of Jay of Melbourne's posts, that:

"When you try to suppress their ability to
discuss their views you create space for
the next round of Hansonism to grow."

I have long regarded the facilitation of the rise of Pauline Hanson and One Nation as the example par excellence of the 'rednecking' of a debate, or political cause. In this particular case, the 'rednecking' of the political expression of a widespread sense of community unease at, and dissatisfaction with, perceived cultural directions in which Australia was being led. How interesting to see the alleged 'bete noir' of this thread say what he did about the (in all likelihood unwitting) principal actor in such a 'rednecking' drama.

What a threat must some of JoM's views be seen to offer those who insist on painting up debates on population or immigration as being covert racism. As I pointed out in another thread ( http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10137#164431 ) while attempting to explain the term 'rednecking', it is an activity most suited to being conducted in the MSM or national politics. It depends for its success on being able to suppress or drown out articulate and reasonable expressions of concern with bigotry, ego-tripping, and non-reporting. Perhaps that's why 'rednecking' doesn't work so well on OLO: little censorship.

It's important to note that there is no mainstream opposition to immigration and more particularly assimilation, there are people who appear to be dissenting voices but when you read the fine print they're either following a PC line or grandstanding for some other reason.
Bob Birrell's widely reported comments on Non White immigration being a threat to social cohesion will be decried as "Racist" but what's he really saying?
He's saying that rapid and unplanned population growth sourced from third world countries threatens the objective of assimilation by creating ethnic enclaves.
In White Australia we have a very well established tradition of integrating other cultures into our society but we have very little assimilation.
I'm actually proud of our record on peaceful integration, if there was a reason needed for White Pride our tolerance of others would be right up there.
People have been gulled into worrying about the rise of the "Right" but as I've said they're going nowhere fast, the Radical Left however, despite pushing an utterly absurd line of neo Marxist "No Races No Borders" Mumbo Jumbo go from strength to strength. The CPA and Socialist Alliance doubled their vote in the S.A elections to around 1%.
Fascism is as dead as a doornail for all the right reasons, Communism should be feared and hated to the same degree given it's killed five times as many people and the body count continues to this day, India for example is still fighting Naxalites.
Forced assimilation and Communists provoking racial tensions (FISA,Socialist Alternative, Van Rudd etc) are a far greater threat to our stability going forward.

For the sake of our future here in Australia we should control immigration to an absolute minimum allowing for families.

We must allow a time period for white Australians to get used to the Asian newcomers. We should encourage acceptance that can only come gradually for cultural and religious demands and needs. It's gone too far to demand that we turn them out to where they came from.

I have absolutely no objections to our African, Chinese, Pacific, New Zealand and Indian brethren because they dont seek to thrust their religious demands down our throats with threaty od death and destruction.
I am sorry if I seem to be discriminatory but I am reacting to the near past and contemporary events . We have stupidly allowed leaders of hate to enter with their disciples. They openl;y advocate the replacement of our way of life and our institutions with theirs. And they are supposed to be our guests.

Do I sound like I am a racist? Or a very concerned Aussie?

socratease

So Socratease.
Ethnic Enclaves.
Yes or No?
And don't fear Radicals they're WYSIWYG, moderates religious or otherwise are horrible creatures.
The job of a moderate is to sell out ideas and sell out their people.
Don't think that because a person is called "moderate" he is wishy-washy or harmless.
These are the coldest, nastiest people you will ever meet.
I despise moderates even more than I do our Self Hating Whites. Leftists say openly that they hate my race and they hate my country.

But Leftists stab you in the front.WYSIWYG.